I have no problem comparing N/A's vs. FI, but it is safe to say that putting a supercharger on the Si is going to keep the comparison alive. And will then include comparisons against the srt-4, mazdaspeed 3, and wrx. But the complaints and controversy will never end. That is why I said all that is going to matter is who puts more money into their car. I just hate to see when people claim that their car is superior. Both honda and chevy boards have this issue

 

No need for formulas or simple mathmatics, just being able to read will solve the mystery happening in you head.

 

Rice much?? Then you'll be comparing an aftermarket S/C to a stock OEM one. Not to mention the cobalt motor was built for boost where as the K20 wasn't hence it's high compression. Enough of the excuses, stock for stock the cobalt is faster in a straight line while the civic will be more at home in some twisties.

I remember when the guy ran the 14.2 in the Si, shouldn't be much for the guys here to worry about on the street because from what I remember his trap still wasn't that high.

 

It's just crazy to think that a low to mid 15 second car can get their times to a low 14 with JUST and exhaust. I can maybe see with intake and exhaust and or a tune, but...Just an exhaust..Our exhaust systems are yielding close to 10ish for a good cat-back and ours is blown...Maybe that car was a freak that happens also..

 

I don't know why people compare a N/A cars to a F/I car. Yea they might be 4 cyl. but what's the point. So what that the SS/SC Cobalt is faster then the Si now a days because of the charger. That's what GM wanted, and that's what they decided to go with. So what that the SRT-4 has a turbo, that's what dodge wanted, so that's what they went with, so what that Saturn put a SC on there Ion, that's what they wanted. Honda didn't put any F/I on there cars and so honda owners shouldn't be arguing the fact that, "Well if I put a SC, turbo, exhaust, intake, fuel rail" whatever the case may be in my Si, it would be faster. Well that would mean you had to put money into the car to make it faster then the cars mentioned above that came in stock form. Any car can be made faster then a another with money and right mods. I think it's retarded that honda drivers, or any other driver out there that's N/A would compare there car to a F/I car when there's no competition on a straight line race in stock vs stock form. And I'm just talking about 4 bangers. Honda was already in the spot light back when the 99/00 Si came out. Then it was the Neon's time to shine when the SRT-4 came out and took the spotlight away from honda when it came down from stock to stock form, and now it's Chevy's turn to take the lime light and why can't people just live with that. A certain model of car isn't gonna be the fastest nor the best made car every year. Things alway's change, always. So there shouldn't be any of this, "Well if I put an exhaust on this, or turbo on this it would be just as fast if not faster". You know how retarded that sounds, cause the other person all they have to say is the same thing. "Oh yea, well if I put a twin turbo in my car and a 200shot it would be faster then your exhast and turbo car". You see where I'm getting at. So face it, stock for stock there is no competition in a straight shot.
And just to let you know, I don't own a Cobalt. I drive a 99 Si.

 

The only thing worth responding to is the ricer comment made by xonic. I have no idea where it came from. Im assuming its a lack of understanding what a ricer is, or he didnt read my post right. He must also not understand that the k20's have been boosted, and respond very well to boost. In fact a lot of the low end torque issues are resolved with boost. You guys may notice that the supercharger kicks in at a very low rpm.(this is basics) The K20 responds to the supercharger in the very same way.

Honda has decided that N/A motors are the way to go...The only way to make a 4cyl motor produce gobs of power, get good gas mileage, and be low emissions is to sacrafice low end power.

Chevy, Ford(mazda), and Dodge have decided that they will boost their motors so they dont have to sacrafice low end.

Both ways are fine, but that doesnt mean the cars wont be compared. The cobalt, si, and gti are all in the same category as far as the automotive world is concerned. Buyers that are considering the gti are also considering the cobalt, si, and sometimes a used srt4. And so Honda is by no means out of the picture. Its just that chevy and dodge finally caught up. Though the srt-4 si beater already met its maker, so hopefully chevy's si beater will survive.

This is my last post on this subject...say what you must

 

The ricer comment would be when you said
If you're still having trouble figuring out why that is ricer-talk then let me rephrase it. "So what you guys are faster!!! You’ve got a supercharger stock. Just wait till I get my turbo/supercharger.” In other words, you're make excuses for why the si is slow(er).

 

Wow..Hostile young pup...Way to take my post out of context.

 

Our cars are not nearly as restricted as most imports. Exhaust does a lot for the k20

 

A) Lets all remember which side started the 2006 Civic Si = SS/SC

B) Each cars HP is achieved differently one by high revs one by F/I. Quit whining about the SS/SC having a S/C.

C) The Civic Si isn't any better in the twistys or braking so basically it's just slow.

 

I really like the new Si, I think it is one of the best looking and best performing (stock) civics. (although I have a soft spot for the looks of the '92 hatchback for some reason.) I am looking forward to when some big mods start happening for them.
I understand what your saying but the same can be said for the SS/SC. Wait until the turbo swaps/twincharge kits become readily available...Lots of SS/SC guys are waiting for that day. I think you will be seeing alot more 400+whp Cobalt's next summer.
Cheers!

 

A few of us have been on their site when we found out they were bashing, saying a stock si beat us by a bus length. Now they dont think it would be a fair race stock for stock when we showed them what we were dynoing. They are just running their mouth. The N/A vs SI would be more of a drivers race.

 

Yah, ultimately you will find that in a year or so it will be difficult to come up on a cobalt or Si without wondering what kind of mods they have. I see some srt-4's and evo 8's that amaze me on the road. Their aftermarket has made a quick car even quicker.

 

A kid at my school just got a white si the other day. Can't wait to smoke him when he thinks he's got something on me .

 

thank you for knocking the IQ of this post down 10 points

 

Actually hes just like every other SS/SC owner.

The only thing in these posts thats nonsense is the comparison of Si vs SS/SC.

 

Now this is nonsense.... a mid to low 14 second stock car owner calling a low 15 to high 14 second stock car "just slow". Oh the irony. Fast06ss is the only one has any business on this site calling anybody slow.

Also to add there are NA K20s that run 12s with no internal work done and minor weight reduction.

 

Lol and? Some of that NA setup will have to be takin off if that want to go FI so whats your point?

 

Actually that is not true.

 

Wrong! You can add DWK5150 to that LIST. He ran a 12.84@110.53 MPH.

 

Like your 16 BS posts didnt.

EDIT: stock K20 with little weight reduction running 12s? Crack won't even make you that delusional.

 

No, he said stock internals

 

Thanks, 12.8-9s can be had out of k20s ALL MOTOR with no internal work done.

 

Sweet, ok. Only DWK5150 and Fast06ss can call anybody slow.

 

Lets keep on topic of an 06 si and not a 93 hatch.