stage 2 sc balt vs stock ss/tc
08-26-2009, 12:38 AM
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I beat a stock SS/TC when my car was gm stage 2 with supporting mods and cooling mods. Of course, I had other mods than GM Stage 2 you will say. But I was really surprised how much I pulled on him when I was in 4th gear... enough so I could get 2-3 cars on him!!! Hell yeeeeeeah cooling mods for our SC 
08-26-2009, 09:48 PM
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08-26-2009, 11:53 PM
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lolz at some of the claims here
A stock SI WILL NOT walk, beat, move faster than a stock SS/TC unless the car is still parked, or the driver doesn't know what a clutch is.
A STOCK SS/SC Stage 2 will not walk a stock SS/TC, For some it may be a drivers race, but that drivers race would be a good SS/SC driver vs a shitty SS/TC driver.
With equal drivers the SS/TC wins. (Stock + Stage 2 only) Now Stage 2 with supporting mods that matter is a different story.
A stock SI WILL NOT walk, beat, move faster than a stock SS/TC unless the car is still parked, or the driver doesn't know what a clutch is.
A STOCK SS/SC Stage 2 will not walk a stock SS/TC, For some it may be a drivers race, but that drivers race would be a good SS/SC driver vs a shitty SS/TC driver.
With equal drivers the SS/TC wins. (Stock + Stage 2 only) Now Stage 2 with supporting mods that matter is a different story.
08-27-2009, 12:09 AM
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lolz at some of the claims here
A stock SI WILL NOT walk, beat, move faster than a stock SS/TC unless the car is still parked, or the driver doesn't know what a clutch is.
A STOCK SS/SC Stage 2 will not walk a stock SS/TC, For some it may be a drivers race, but that drivers race would be a good SS/SC driver vs a shitty SS/TC driver.
With equal drivers the SS/TC wins. (Stock + Stage 2 only) Now Stage 2 with supporting mods that matter is a different story.
A stock SI WILL NOT walk, beat, move faster than a stock SS/TC unless the car is still parked, or the driver doesn't know what a clutch is.
A STOCK SS/SC Stage 2 will not walk a stock SS/TC, For some it may be a drivers race, but that drivers race would be a good SS/SC driver vs a shitty SS/TC driver.
With equal drivers the SS/TC wins. (Stock + Stage 2 only) Now Stage 2 with supporting mods that matter is a different story.
08-27-2009, 12:18 AM
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Airbox mods don't do anything to a SS/TC unless its tuned. The civic would lose up in the top end given enough room. The K20 is a great engine, but without FI or heavy modding its a high 13 sec/low 14 sec car at best. SS/TC have gone 13.5's stock. It takes a bit more than a tune and KPRO to get a SI into the 103+MPH trap speed territory.
08-27-2009, 12:34 AM
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Airbox mods don't do anything to a SS/TC unless its tuned. The civic would lose up in the top end given enough room. The K20 is a great engine, but without FI or heavy modding its a high 13 sec/low 14 sec car at best. SS/TC have gone 13.5's stock. It takes a bit more than a tune and KPRO to get a SI into the 103+MPH trap speed territory.
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08-27-2009, 02:52 AM
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A stock 08 SS Cobalt is a drivers race vs a 3.0 pulley intake header downpipe catback custom tuned Cobalt SS/SC.
A stage 2 cobalt makes like 230 WHP and 220WHQ a stock Turbo cobalt makes better power then that.
Plus my cobalt has no sunroof and I took out the spare/jack.
A Civic SI isn't touching a full bolt on tuned RSX Type S which weighs like 2850. Which lost to me by a car two times.
I also think its funny how all you guys are talking about et's yet you run from rolls. All that matters in the trap speed. The cobalt TC has trapped 104 STOCK. Guess what most Mustang Mach 1's trap stock ???? 104-105. Guess what most Ls1 GTO's trap stock 104-105.
Funny isn't it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30UxICiLlss
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08-27-2009, 07:19 AM
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Dude I just ran a Bolt on as in Header mid pipe catback intake Kpro RSX type S in my STOCK turbo Cobalt and got him by a car both runs.
A stock 08 SS Cobalt is a drivers race vs a 3.0 pulley intake header downpipe catback custom tuned Cobalt SS/SC.
A stage 2 cobalt makes like 230 WHP and 220WHQ a stock Turbo cobalt makes better power then that.
Plus my cobalt has no sunroof and I took out the spare/jack.
A Civic SI isn't touching a full bolt on tuned RSX Type S which weighs like 2850. Which lost to me by a car two times.
I also think its funny how all you guys are talking about et's yet you run from rolls. All that matters in the trap speed. The cobalt TC has trapped 104 STOCK. Guess what most Mustang Mach 1's trap stock ???? 104-105. Guess what most Ls1 GTO's trap stock 104-105.
Funny isn't it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30UxICiLlss
A stock 08 SS Cobalt is a drivers race vs a 3.0 pulley intake header downpipe catback custom tuned Cobalt SS/SC.
A stage 2 cobalt makes like 230 WHP and 220WHQ a stock Turbo cobalt makes better power then that.
Plus my cobalt has no sunroof and I took out the spare/jack.
A Civic SI isn't touching a full bolt on tuned RSX Type S which weighs like 2850. Which lost to me by a car two times.
I also think its funny how all you guys are talking about et's yet you run from rolls. All that matters in the trap speed. The cobalt TC has trapped 104 STOCK. Guess what most Mustang Mach 1's trap stock ???? 104-105. Guess what most Ls1 GTO's trap stock 104-105.
Funny isn't it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30UxICiLlss
a gm stage 2 car on avg. dynos 235whp some dyno more. you are low balling it a little. also, it doesnt matter if the ss/tc dynos a tad more than a stage 2 ss/sc, because we make up for it with our gearing.
i have a 2.99 pulley on a gm stage tune and i have pulled stock ss/tc's pretty good.
08-27-2009, 07:30 AM
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haha, debadging adds like 20whp .... everyone knows that 
230whp is on the low side. most straight gm stage 2 cars (no supporting mods) have dynoed 235whp on avg. a buddy of mine dynoed 243whp with his gm stage 2 car. all the ss/sc's run a bit different due to build variations, location, versions of the stage tunes, and dynos.
230whp is on the low side. most straight gm stage 2 cars (no supporting mods) have dynoed 235whp on avg. a buddy of mine dynoed 243whp with his gm stage 2 car. all the ss/sc's run a bit different due to build variations, location, versions of the stage tunes, and dynos.
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08-27-2009, 08:51 AM
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I'd love to drive a stage 2 one of these days, just for the heck of it. 2 colleagues took a ride in 2 different stage 2 balts and said mine felt quicker... I'd still like to try it for myself, I'm not sure you can really say that considering the small diff in whp. I hear they pull great.
As for the SI thing, I ran into a pretty quick & very loud rsx type S a few weeks ago. I pulled away but all the way through 3rd, it did pretty good. It was in it's sweet spot and it went pretty good. My TC has sunroof, usually has a full tank of gas, spare jack and all. It's a bit heavier than a coupe. I have no doubt that a well modded/tuned SI can mess with a TC.
I also have no doubt that a stage 2 can stick with a TC given the whp they get out of it.
But to go so far as to say that it'll litterally outrun it: same weight, more whp so nope. Modded, yes.
UNLESS it's debadged... and has 20' rims. Then we're talking.
As for the SI thing, I ran into a pretty quick & very loud rsx type S a few weeks ago. I pulled away but all the way through 3rd, it did pretty good. It was in it's sweet spot and it went pretty good. My TC has sunroof, usually has a full tank of gas, spare jack and all. It's a bit heavier than a coupe. I have no doubt that a well modded/tuned SI can mess with a TC.
I also have no doubt that a stage 2 can stick with a TC given the whp they get out of it.
But to go so far as to say that it'll litterally outrun it: same weight, more whp so nope. Modded, yes.
UNLESS it's debadged... and has 20' rims. Then we're talking.
08-27-2009, 08:56 AM
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I'd love to drive a stage 2 one of these days, just for the heck of it. 2 colleagues took a ride in 2 different stage 2 balts and said mine felt quicker... I'd still like to try it for myself, I'm not sure you can really say that considering the small diff in whp. I hear they pull great.
As for the SI thing, I ran into a pretty quick & very loud rsx type S a few weeks ago. I pulled away but all the way through 3rd, it did pretty good. It was in it's sweet spot and it went pretty good. My TC has sunroof, usually has a full tank of gas, spare jack and all. It's a bit heavier than a coupe. I have no doubt that a well modded/tuned SI can mess with a TC.
I also have no doubt that a stage 2 can stick with a TC given the whp they get out of it.
But to go so far as to say that it'll litterally outrun it: same weight, more whp so nope. Modded, yes.
UNLESS it's debadged... and has 20' rims. Then we're talking.
As for the SI thing, I ran into a pretty quick & very loud rsx type S a few weeks ago. I pulled away but all the way through 3rd, it did pretty good. It was in it's sweet spot and it went pretty good. My TC has sunroof, usually has a full tank of gas, spare jack and all. It's a bit heavier than a coupe. I have no doubt that a well modded/tuned SI can mess with a TC.
I also have no doubt that a stage 2 can stick with a TC given the whp they get out of it.
But to go so far as to say that it'll litterally outrun it: same weight, more whp so nope. Modded, yes.
UNLESS it's debadged... and has 20' rims. Then we're talking.
to clarify things. a gm stage 2 ss/sc and a stock ss/tc are both very quick cars, and im glad they can out run many of the other cars on the road today
