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2.0L LNF Performance Tech 260hp and 260 lb-ft of torque Turbocharged tuner version.
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Old 04-20-2009, 11:42 AM   #26
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I also have the Hahn PPC and am very pleased with the performance and the increase in miles per gallon (this was a welcome surprise). I purchased mine so that I could go back to stock for a visit to the dealer. However, I have not had to visit him. I have had no codes or any other problems. I believe I bought a great product.
The reversion is the one thing that sounds so sexy about this product. How do others deal with having to revert to stock for warranty visits?
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Now there is some good information above on the PPC...thank you!!!


...but about the comments on Page 1...
I had forgotten the severe immaturity of this forum and how they cannot even act on a simple/kind request to STFU.
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The BSR tuner that Hahn sells was the first one out for the Solstice/Sky LNF 2.0. I know I was the test car. I own an 07 GXP along with my HHRSS and have used the BSR tune in both of them. Two years ago the guys on the Solstice forum was begging HP Tuners to crack the PCM and they finelly did it but I don't think they make much more HP than the BSR, depends on the tuner. Sure it cost more but if you look at the results it is well worth it, plus you can go back to stock in 48 seconds with the PPC, plus it is compatable with most bolt ons. Here is a page from Hahn Racecraft showing what the BSR with add ons can do. It all depends on how you are going to mod. your car.


Cobalt--http://www.turbosystem.com/ProjectVehicles/New_Folder/Cobalt/CobaltSS-TC.htm


HHR--Mine--http://www.turbosystem.com/New_Folder/HHR%20SS.htm
PPC tuned cars seem to be approx 276-280 whp STD. corrected tune only. A good tuner with Hp tuners can definately squeeze more power out though. I made 307 whp STD corrected tune only, but if you have no access to a dyno and can stomach $1000 for a hand held tuner go ahead. Too expensive though IMHO. Most handheld tuners out there for other cars are around the $300-400 range.
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I have researched the PPC lately, seems like a great product to me. I think to me the best advantage is that you can tune it stock, and tune after every mod BECAUSE of the Cobalt TCs learn down feature. The only question I have is where can you download new tunes? I couldn't seem to find a place...
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squeezing every last hp out of an engine is not always the best move. a good safe street tune is what most guys are after


besides dyno numbers don't mean squat, track numbers is where its at anyway. a dyno queen is just that a dyno queen. peak numbers are not alway best, its area under the curve, usuable power

eveybody on this site is so tuned into peak hp numbers.
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HP Tuners is the ULTIMATE way to go! Find a "QUALITY" tuner to custom tailor a tune to your specific vehicle!

i think i have a very quality tuner
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lol is that an audi that the girl is tuning?
she is tuning an s4... pritty damn fast man i would not laugh( v8 awd 6 speed.... nice ass car)
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does anyone know where to get more maps =/?
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PPC tuned cars seem to be approx 276-280 whp STD. corrected tune only. A good tuner with Hp tuners can definately squeeze more power out though. I made 307 whp STD corrected tune only, but if you have no access to a dyno and can stomach $1000 for a hand held tuner go ahead. Too expensive though IMHO. Most handheld tuners out there for other cars are around the $300-400 range.
Agreed...the price is just totally disproportional to the rest of the market....I don't want to criticize Hahn's work in any way, but that is over triple the price for a near identical or better tune....and for those who want to go back to stock, buy an extra ECU....its only $200....for less then half of Hahn's price, have a tuned ECU and a stock ECU......and then choose whichever one you want
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http://www.skyroadster.com/forums/f2...c-tuner-26290/

Here's a dyno of a Sky tuned with Hahn BSR PPC. Note the change from baseline. Also to note they have more driveline loss being RWD. There are other dynos too if you look around on their forums.

Doesn't look too bad honestly.
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I haven't seen any other dyno graphs from Cobalt SS/TC owners besides what is on Hahn's website.

That is weird.

I am looking into each and every option, cost notwithstanding.
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I haven't seen any other dyno graphs from Cobalt SS/TC owners besides what is on Hahn's website.

That is weird.

I am looking into each and every option, cost notwithstanding.
That's because most tuners won't guarantee certain results because it all depends on the car, what your performance vs reliability goals are, and where you are located.

That reminds me of those gnarly intake power increase numbers, where they "guarantee" a certain number, but then (as an example) one of us installs it and actually has a loss across the whole powerband.
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BSR is who made the tuner (same PPC unit and everything!) for my old Volvo S70 T5. Was actually a hair more, $1200 or so when I got it. Was literally the only game in town for a Volvo and remains so. I think what bummed me the most was how much I paid and couldnt access any of the neat stuff Volvo could with their system (IE: heated seat temps, reprogram key FOB's.. etc etc etc). For $1k-1.2k you tend to expect a little bit more, at least I do anyway.

They do good work, but are obviously very proud of their stuff. The fact BSR is in euroland doesnt help the prices either.
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i got hahns programmer. got map sensor ******* up isnt running as good as it usually does. clutch is slipping bad now you can see it on my dyno sheet and i still pushed 295/355. that was with their programer/intake/dejon charge piping. customer service threw hahn is great you ever have any problems and they are right on it. its worth the extra dollars been running it for about 13k miles and have no problems besides having to change my sparkplugs and my dilldoe buddy plugging my programer into his car and it locked it. hahn fixed everything for me.
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i got hahns programmer. got map sensor ******* up isnt running as good as it usually does. clutch is slipping bad now you can see it on my dyno sheet and i still pushed 295/355. that was with their programer/intake/dejon charge piping. customer service threw hahn is great you ever have any problems and they are right on it. its worth the extra dollars been running it for about 13k miles and have no problems besides having to change my sparkplugs and my dilldoe buddy plugging my programer into his car and it locked it. hahn fixed everything for me.
Great review! Thanks for the personal input.

All that extra power puts a lot of strain on the stock clutch. Exedy or SPEC maybe a nice upgrade.
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What intake do you have sportitturbo?

Where are the dyno graphs?

That's alot of torque as well....

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