Can someone tell me the diffrence between the 2.2L, 2.4ss, and 2.0ss as far as stock engine parts and hp #'s. I thought the only difference between the 2.2L and the 2.4L was .2 liters. What constitutes the 2.4 to be labled ss. And how much different in power is it than the other ss...2.0L. Is the 2.4 blown too?

 

2.0 rates at 205 (GM underrated) and its the only one supercharged. a 2.2 has like 140 and no forced induction, the 2.4L has like 171 hp and no forced induction. and the 2.4L SS which may be a regular 2.4L. im not sure. but i know its not supercharged. the fastest stock is the 2.0L

 

Guess I should have specified more....I know 2.2=145hp and 2.4=170hp and 2.0=205, but why is the 2.4 considered ss? What makes it an ss? I thought only the supercharged 2.0 was a ss.

 

Much like the previous generation of Impalas and Monte Carlos, there are two SS trim levels for the Cobalt... the SS and the SS Supercharged. There is no "Why are there 2 SS Cobalts?" GM decided to do it that way. If GM says it's an SS.... it's an SS... all the reason I need.

 

How about its fast??

Consider this: One member for a 15.2 in the 1/4 mile. Motor Trend got 7.1 sc to 60mph on a 4 door. For a naturally aspirated 4cly (no turbo or supercharger) those are great times.
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ith the exeption of the Civic Si and Acrua RSX, its about the fastest naturally aspirated sport compact. Plus its way cheaper and comes in 2 or 4 door

It shares the same 5 lug axles with large disc brakes as the S/C SS (normal Cobalts have smaller disc/drum brakes and 4 lug axles)

It has an engine oil cooler and piston oil squirters just like the S/C SS

It has forged connecting rods, just like the S/C SS

The 2.4L Ecotec is a more advanced engine. More powerful computer, variable valve timing,
highest redline (6750rpm VS 6450) and a 10.4 to 1 cr, stonger block

GMPD (GM Performance Division) developed the 2.4L SS package---just like the S/C SS.
They do all GMs high performance models (cadillac V series ect)

Its faster then alot of SS cars from the past. This is not a stripe and badge job like the NA 3800 V6 Monte Carlo SS from a few years ago.

There are meangingful, dedicated high performance parts here and the car delivers the numbers.

 

nicely put avro

 

Didn't know that. I thought that was only on the 2.0L S/C.

 

I dont think 171 hp is fast. With $825 of bold on mods, an 05 cavalier that weighs 300 lbs less stock can have 191hp. If you wanna build real big though, the 2.4 sounds like you could do it quicker without changing a lot of internals. How big can you get the 2.4 before changing internals. I know the 2.2 goes to 280.

 

Cobalts are better than cavaliers.. believe me I own one and my family owns several...
I will Spend 6 thousand more and get the 2.4 ss instead of putting up with another cavalier...
I dont know how much hp you can squeese out of it stock, to guess I would say 280...

 

Yeah, and I don't remeber a loaded cavalier weighing in at only 2550lbs.

 

My 05 Cavalier with sunroof, before weight reduction weighed 2589. After Carbon fiber hood and lighter wheels and tires, with me in it, weighs 2620. I've never seen specs of a cobalt weighing less than 2875. 2875-2589=286. Without sunroof, the 05 cavalier is 2617. 2875-2617=258. If the 2.4 only can be built up to 280 like the 2.2, I'm happy I stayed with what I did.

 

How is a sunroof car lighter? Every car I have ever seen is heavier with a sunroof (thick glass, motor, sealing agents.

 

Eventhough it is basically some badges and suspension...I still like my Monte SS. So back off!



But yes, the SS n/a is more advanced than most people think. Even in auto form, it's still very quick and fun to drive. But I'd get a stick if I could buy one again. I was forced into an auto.

 

Don't know but I weighed it at the same shop where I had it dynoed and it weighed 2589. The specs I've read for the 05 coupe say 2617. Maybe those are lighter than that...Never weighed one of those. I'm still wondering if the 2.4 can be able to go higher than 280. What would the point be of spending the extra money if for $5200 less you can have 20-25 more horses.

 

The 2.4 supposedly has some forged parts and stronger internals... I'd sure like to see a complete list.

 

The 2.4 is a very able engine it seems like. You could probably make some strong power with it. Very usable power. Certainly a sleeper when compared to the s/c.

 

you have less head room in the cabin too.
you get a lot more than just .2 liters more for 5200.

same gas milage as 2.2
lower emissions than the 2.2
VVT
Sports suspension
spoiler
fog lamps
ground effects
tuned exhaust
and in canada the pionere system is standard!
and a bunch of little stuff...

 

My Cav came with sport suspension. My exhaust, spoiler, gas milage, and emissions are all changed, and would be changed if I had a 2.4 as well. The different brakes sound cool "looks" wise, but the speed limiter I have is set at 112, so there's no use for different, brakes. I'd like to see a race with the same mods as mine on a 2.4L cobalt, and see if my lighter weight would make up for the extra .2 Liters. If it did not, I'm possitive that the difference in time would not be so great that I would contemplate spending an extra $6000, over relying on the rules of bracket racing to start me out .15 seconds sooner. I was considering maybe getting a 2.4, but after these posts, I think no. Thanks.

 

Well how much do you have done to the cavi? i have killed cavis with exhaust and intakes with my 4.3 v-6 in my s-10 not by more than a car length but still.. i'd take the cobalt

 

I'm sorry, but your suspension is no where NEAR the same as the Cobalt ss 2.4. Hell, a 2.2L LS Cobalt comes with a better suspension then the old Z24 cavalier. Its not just the better handling of the new FE3 suspension, it is also the better ride and noise reduction.

As well, the ss comes with 17" rims with Pirelli P6 tires which are a lot more expensive then the goodyear or bridgestone 16" tires on a cavy.

The interior is also better quality, nicer looking and full of more features. It comes standard with MP3 player, onbaord monitor computer, height adjudtable seat, steering wheel buttons, dozens of less squeaks and rattles, etc.

There is also the fact a cobalt is state of the art as opposed to a cavalier that dates back to 1982, but hey, if you think its a better car, stick with it.

 

MikeSS is totally right. This is not some dressed up 2.2L Cobalt. Its a great little car that is very competent. And a great buy if you can't afford the S/C (or want a 4 door)

Not sure how reading this post made you turn against a 2.4L SS? You shold go drive one amd then decide.

 

well this is the first auto car ive actually felt like i can go really fast in but i wont know the specifics until i dyno in march and take it to the track in april to see what it can do

 

Well considering i traded in my Z24 for a 2.4 SS i think i can give you a little insight. The 2.4's suspension is worlds better then the stock Z24's suspension. Hell i had koni's and springs on my cav and the SS's still handles much better and rides a 100x better. Interior is much much better in the SS. Build quality is a worlds better as well. Road noise is very low in the Cobalt compared to the Cav. And keep this in mind, when i was looking at getting ride of my 97 Cav i looked at getting a new 05 cav and swapping over all the stuff i had on the 97 to the newer one but after driving the 2.4SS, that made my mind up. Considering the build quality over the cav, and everything the Cobalt comes with was why i chose it over a newer cav. Its just a better car plain and simple.

 

I owned a 03 Cavi LS Sport Coupe...it was far from a sports suspension.....that thing had insane amounts of body roll to it I hated it. I traded it in for an 04 ION QC3(same platform as coabalt) and that suspension was 100 times better then the cavi. And well now I have a 04 Ion Redline and it's suspension is awesome and there is minimal body roll and it's still fairly comfortable when you hit bumps in the road.

 

I have a 2005 cavalier. I drove a cobalt before, and thought the cavalier was better. The sport suspension on the cav comes with front and rear bars and sport shocks. I replaced the springs and put 18" rims and tires. Also, first and second year cars generally have kinks to work out over cars that have been produced for 15 or more years. Didn't really turn against the 2.4, but I think the extra weight would cancel out the extra .2 Liters, expecially if it was a 4 door.