Any word on how much a turbo set up would run on a LS coupe? I wont beable to afford a SS so I figure I'll slowly invest in a Turbo with ultra loud blow off valve. Any idea on if any are currently in the works and what price they might be going for?

Hmm the turbo.. and intercooler.. and piping and all the add ons.. would run you a pretty penny.. I've heard in excess of 3-4 grand... damn high costs of forced induction. in terms of a BOV.. I put think link in here somewhere before but I forgot what for.. at any rate.. this one will satisy your desire for decibels. haha.. http://www.turboxs.com/BOV%20Type%20H-RFL.htm it's real easy to install too.. 20 min. loud too baby.

Looks like there is!!!

http://www.turbokits.com/cobalt_turbo_kits.html

Don't know about the quality, never heard of this company..........but looks decent.

Honestly, I'd fork out the extra $$ for the SS. Factory forced inductions are always more reliable and not to mention warranty covered.

econorocketZX3, nice times on the zx3

Honestly, I'd fork out the extra $$ for the SS. Factory forced inductions are always more reliable and not to mention warranty covered.

If you goto a GM dealer (same place I'd get the car) couldnt they install a turbo and have it under warrenty?

Also I've been looking at that turbo kit from turbokits.com and it looks to have the same BOV as the one in your link DeuceDeuce.

3399 isnt bad, bet GM charges like 600 to put it in though, if they will. I hope they would and let me keep my warrenty.

If you goto a GM dealer (same place I'd get the car) couldnt they install a turbo and have it under warrenty?

Also I've been looking at that turbo kit from turbokits.com and it looks to have the same BOV as the one in your link DeuceDeuce.

3399 isnt bad, bet GM charges like 600 to put it in though, if they will. I hope they would and let me keep my warrenty.

I don't think too many dealers will preserve your warranty if you have an aftermarket turbo kit...even if they do install it. And if they say they will, you better get it in writing.

I doubt the dealer would even install the aftermarket turbo kit of you.

I doubt the dealer would even install the aftermarket turbo kit of you.
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Aww that sucks. Do any upgrades not void your warrenty?

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Aww that sucks. Do any upgrades not void your warrenty?

Depends on what the upgrade is. Usually exhausts don't void your warranty. But it still depends on your dealer. Performance upgrade(s) should only void your warranty if it is the direct cause of the problem. Howerver, if your dealer is not mod friendly at all, they can find whatever reason they want to link the problem to your upgrade(s).

First, a dealer possibly could install a turbo kit, but it would only be covered if the company that makes the turbo kit has a warranty.

Second, if you did install a turbo kit, it would in fact void the warranty on the engine itself. You can in theory install things like exhaust, and in that case every piece you take off the vehicle or alter in any way would thus be omitted from the remainder of the warranty. For example, you take off the muffler and tailpipe, the muffler would then be covered under the muffler company warranty, the emissions would still be under the GM warranty.

Finally, why would you want a turbo kit, if you wait a few months GM's gonna put out a SuperCharger for the 2.2 and 2.4 (SS not SuperCharged) which will greatly increase the torque, AND it will be covered under the 60/60,000 warranty.

Villain

econorocketZX3, nice times on the zx3

Thanks, not bad for a bone stock motor with only 9.5psi on 93 pump gas huh?

Hopefully I will see better results on the LS Coupe when I get it.

I have some light on the turbo subject. I was at chevy training (this was a few months a go) and was talking to one of the reps and he said they were working on a turbocharged car for the cobalt but not till 06 as an 07 I hope he was right. Don't know if it will make it into production tho. So don't quote me on that just yet. The supercharged car already has enough parts out there to make it fast as hell, and it isn't out yet. All you need to do is change the supercharger pulley and do the exhaust and find and a good engine mgmt. system and you are good. Greddy has one already. (engine mgmt)

chris

Does anyone know if they are comming out with a supercharger for the non-supercharged Cobalts for sure, cause that would definetly be a great thing as my girlfriend doesnt wanna void her warranty, not to mention a supercharger just seems more practical. And I dont mean to get off topic, but econozx3, are you on any focus forums? Those really are some killer times.

I am building an LS coupe with a turbo charger. I specifically got the LS instead of the SS because of all the tuning upgrades I intend to do. First of all, you will always get more power from a turbo charger then you will from a supercharger. When I'm done, I will be capable of producing over 300 street legal horse power. Now because of my intentions, I am also upgrading the engine rotating assembly (Eagle rods and the GM goodwrench performance piston set made by JEpiston), getting a simple polishing and porting for the head while it's off, and sending in my automatic transmission (thats right, auto) to IPT (Import Performance Transmission) for a bulletproof buildup. Hanh racecraft is the prototype stage right now of building the auto trans turbo kit, and they are right here in Chicago land where I am. SOOOoooo, I'm gonna be first in line for their production unit. Turbo all the way baby!

how can you do that to an american car...you parents should be ashamed

I am building an LS coupe with a turbo charger. I specifically got the LS instead of the SS because of all the tuning upgrades I intend to do. First of all, you will always get more power from a turbo charger then you will from a supercharger. When I'm done, I will be capable of producing over 300 street legal horse power. Now because of my intentions, I am also upgrading the engine rotating assembly (Eagle rods and the GM goodwrench performance piston set made by JEpiston), getting a simple polishing and porting for the head while it's off, and sending in my automatic transmission (thats right, auto) to IPT (Import Performance Transmission) for a bulletproof buildup. Hanh racecraft is the prototype stage right now of building the auto trans turbo kit, and they are right here in Chicago land where I am. SOOOoooo, I'm gonna be first in line for their production unit. Turbo all the way baby!


what turbo are you gonna run, and how many psi
what do u plan on using for engine management?

Hahn is working on those questions right now. They have used Mistubishi turbos in the past on their cavalier and sunfire kits. I hope to be able to use a ball-bearing unit since this will be an everyday car for me. We'll see what Hahn decides on. As for engine management, they wrote me this the other day:

"We currently have our own Auto Trans Cobalt that we are prototyping on. We are not far enough in our development process to take in another car at this time but would like to keep your information available for later in the development process. Right now we are working on the fuel system. We are having some custom electronics developed for the fuel system and this may take some time. Please keep in contact with us over the summer and we will keep you updated."

As you can probably tell, answers to your questions are still forthcoming. However, once they are ready, I'll have completed the rod, piston, head, and trans upgrades.

Does anyone know if they are comming out with a supercharger for the non-supercharged Cobalts for sure, cause that would definetly be a great thing as my girlfriend doesnt wanna void her warranty, not to mention a supercharger just seems more practical. And I dont mean to get off topic, but econozx3, are you on any focus forums? Those really are some killer times.

There is a GMAccesories factory supercharger for the 2.2. It can be ordered and installed through your dealers service dept. It's included under the factory warranty so bonus points there.

Sorry it's late, but I hope it helps.

-Villain

We can make/install and tune your kit for 2,500 + parts. The parts that we would make, manifold, oil feed/return, downpipe, dump tube, intercooler piping. Products needed to be bought, turbonetics t3 stage 2 wheel with a .48 a/r, apexi afc for tuning, boost guage, oil pressure guage, fuel pump, fuel rail, fuel pressure regulator, small B&M fuel pressure guage for in the engine, wastegate, blow off valve, intercooler, piping, silicones, clamps, fittings, adapters, hose ends for braided line. We have multiples of every piece in stock.

www.maximumboost.net

our other post is gone.... guess the we were to close to the truth so it was removed..

our other post is gone.... guess the we were to close to the truth so it was removed..

Seriously, get over it. you received a product that you SAW a picture for. You didn't like it, I told you I'd refund your money minus the restocking fee - you refused. THIS is why you had to go through paypal, in which you DID get your funds back.

You act like you got screwed over and I never sent anything.

When was the last time you bought something else from us?

Yeah...

lol, yea people need to realize that companies may make mistakes and that they LEARN from it and try to improve.... exactly what i am seeing out of maximum boost, keep it up

I am building an LS coupe with a turbo charger. I specifically got the LS instead of the SS because of all the tuning upgrades I intend to do. First of all, you will always get more power from a turbo charger then you will from a supercharger. When I'm done, I will be capable of producing over 300 street legal horse power. Now because of my intentions, I am also upgrading the engine rotating assembly (Eagle rods and the GM goodwrench performance piston set made by JEpiston), getting a simple polishing and porting for the head while it's off, and sending in my automatic transmission (thats right, auto) to IPT (Import Performance Transmission) for a bulletproof buildup. Hanh racecraft is the prototype stage right now of building the auto trans turbo kit, and they are right here in Chicago land where I am. SOOOoooo, I'm gonna be first in line for their production unit. Turbo all the way baby!
doesnt that seem like a lot of work for an automatic??

doesnt that seem like a lot of work for an automatic??


But not his automatic will destroy your manual as well as most other cars out there. But should a manual do the same mods then he would proly lose by a small margin.

If you wanna go fast, and be consistent, then drive an automatic.

If you wanan go fast, and sometimes F Up, drive a manual.

Im turbo'ing my Auto, I just talked to a kid saturday night at Hot Import Nights in Cleveland, that had a 2.2L Ecotec in his Cavy, running around 14psi with JEPistons, Eagle Rods, port/polish, and some minor things. He runs a 14 flat with a stock transmission.

IF this kid were to bulletproff his transmission, he SHOULD be in the high 13's, all things considered.

Now I'm no car guru or anything, but this kid should be putting some serious numbers down after he gets all of this stuff done.

I hope he does it, I hope he is the first one to do it, I dont wanna be.

our other post is gone.... guess the we were to close to the truth so it was removed..


Drop it man, get a life. He refunded your money, It's your fault you didnt like it. I swear, every post I see wth something do with frank, you are there bitching and whining trying to make a bad name for him.

I say PRAISE him.......he is the one helping produce aftermarket for our car. Grow up.

^ Thanks man, much appreciated...

Not A Problem.......I can't stand people like that........

If you wanna go fast, and be consistent, then drive an automatic.

If you wanan go fast, and sometimes F Up, drive a manual.

Im turbo'ing my Auto, I just talked to a kid saturday night at Hot Import Nights in Cleveland, that had a 2.2L Ecotec in his Cavy, running around 14psi with JEPistons, Eagle Rods, port/polish, and some minor things. He runs a 14 flat with a stock transmission.

IF this kid were to bulletproff his transmission, he SHOULD be in the high 13's, all things considered.

Now I'm no car guru or anything, but this kid should be putting some serious numbers down after he gets all of this stuff done.

I hope he does it, I hope he is the first one to do it, I dont wanna be.

you would put down better numbers and better times in a manual transmission. The ATX is not performance oriented. Unless you plan on putting in some aftermarket 3 speed auto tranny it would be a waste to try to build an ATX drag car.

I'd rather have an ATX if I am actually racing for money, atleast I know what im always gonna run....

Auto takes all the fun outta driving.

Auto takes all the fun outta driving.

Ya think so? When I flip my little digital fuel computer switch to "performance" mode and watch my Boost gauge go just to 15 psi, knowing I could easily go to 20, and I blow the friggin' doors off whatever you are driving, and I didn't have to change a single gear in the process, I find that to be a quite a bit of fun!

manual shifting is better for street racing, since there's a difference with turn's, other traffic, auto for track, proof would be to look in the gm eco build book, once you've hit the gas, no need to have anything to slow yah down, such as shifting

IMAO manuals are better, they are cheaper, they give you more control of your car in adverse weather, they are also a little bit more fun to drive.

manual is definately more fun to drive then an automatic and its faster.
beside AUTOMATIC TAKES NO SKILL, a freaking 12 year old can mash on the gas and drive the car in a straight line.


Takes skill to learn to get that perfect launch and better your times with a manual because you need to train yourself to shift better every time.

Not saying an auto cant be fast, but manual is more "racing" style.

i like both but auto is bettr and more consistant for 1/4 mile racing, stick imo is just for extra fun but a apin for daily driving

Garrett Cobalt Turbo System (http://www.urbanracer.com/articles/anmviewer.asp?a=1708)

Pictures are located at the web link

Even uses stock air box and cat converter

Release is 1Qrt of 2006

That should beat the Hahn to market by at least 6-10 months and be just as complete if not better in overall quality. Just look at Edelbrock's turbo kit for the SOHC Civic...

It will include a piggyback controller and if you count your blessing it might be 50 State legal.

sounds good we need lots of compettion in this market so the more the merrier

Garrett Cobalt Turbo System

Pictures are located at the web link

Even uses stock air box and cat converter

Release is 1Qrt of 2006

That should beat the Hahn to market by at least 6-10 months and be just as complete if not better in overall quality. Just look at Edelbrock's turbo kit for the SOHC Civic...

It will include a piggyback controller and if you count your blessing it might be 50 State legal.

This would be great... come tax time!!!

It would be nice....it makes 200+ HP. Very interesting for those of us with the superchargers...The possibility of getting my ass whooped by a LS makes me cringe....where are those stage kits....

About the whole automatic vs manual thing...

Just ask how much the Honda guys would love to be able to have a transmission that holds up to over 1,000-1,200hp they are putting down now in the Hot Rod class cars.

All of GM's cars use an automatic and you'll find out alot more about the standard 4 speed trans in the Cobalt when a couple of cars enter the Sport FWD Class next season. By rule you have to use the trans that comes in the car. The 4 speed in the drag cars are based on the midsize platform automatic, its in the Performance Handbook..

A stick will be a bit faster for a daily driver and occasional track use. Automatic would be better for weekly drag racing/bracket racing as constanty wins over sheer speed. If your good a rowing gears, then by all means keep your manual. Overall it cost less, all you need is a short shifter, maybe a lightweight flywheel and a good clutch, about $1,000 total.

For automatic to hold up to double the torque from the turbocharged engine, it needs a complete overhaul. For an experience transmission shop to overhaul, rebuild and upgrading your automatic will cost at least $1,200 in labor and parts. That includes a new convert and custom valvebody or even reverse valvebody (D is the final gear, you pull towards to to shift up).

If I got a Cobalt (which is highly unlikely now) I would get an automatic because the cars goal would be to build something between Phase 5 and the Hot Rod Class cars because I need every advantage I can get when class leaders run 9.70's without wheelie bars and limited to a 25" tall tire. Output is around 600-650hp.

The Phase 5 cars haven't been pushed far enough to even see what it will run. I would think somewhere in the high 10's.

Anyway, the point is you can do it either way. Done right the car will be fast.

About the whole automatic vs manual thing...

Just ask how much the Honda guys would love to be able to have a transmission that holds up to over 1,000-1,200hp they are putting down now in the Hot Rod class cars.

All of GM's cars use an automatic and you'll find out alot more about the standard 4 speed trans in the Cobalt when a couple of cars enter the Sport FWD Class next season. By rule you have to use the trans that comes in the car. The 4 speed in the drag cars are based on the midsize platform automatic, its in the Performance Handbook..

A stick will be a bit faster for a daily driver and occasional track use. Automatic would be better for weekly drag racing/bracket racing as constanty wins over sheer speed. If your good a rowing gears, then by all means keep your manual. Overall it cost less, all you need is a short shifter, maybe a lightweight flywheel and a good clutch, about $1,000 total.

For automatic to hold up to double the torque from the turbocharged engine, it needs a complete overhaul. For an experience transmission shop to overhaul, rebuild and upgrading your automatic will cost at least $1,200 in labor and parts. That includes a new convert and custom valvebody or even reverse valvebody (D is the final gear, you pull towards to to shift up).

If I got a Cobalt (which is highly unlikely now) I would get an automatic because the cars goal would be to build something between Phase 5 and the Hot Rod Class cars because I need every advantage I can get when class leaders run 9.70's without wheelie bars and limited to a 25" tall tire. Output is around 600-650hp.

The Phase 5 cars haven't been pushed far enough to even see what it will run. I would think somewhere in the high 10's.

Anyway, the point is you can do it either way. Done right the car will be fast.

good post