But not his automatic will destroy your manual as well as most other cars out there. But should a manual do the same mods then he would proly lose by a small margin.

 

If you wanna go fast, and be consistent, then drive an automatic.

If you wanan go fast, and sometimes F Up, drive a manual.

Im turbo'ing my Auto, I just talked to a kid saturday night at Hot Import Nights in Cleveland, that had a 2.2L Ecotec in his Cavy, running around 14psi with JEPistons, Eagle Rods, port/polish, and some minor things. He runs a 14 flat with a stock transmission.

IF this kid were to bulletproff his transmission, he SHOULD be in the high 13's, all things considered.

Now I'm no car guru or anything, but this kid should be putting some serious numbers down after he gets all of this stuff done.

I hope he does it, I hope he is the first one to do it, I dont wanna be.

 

Drop it man, get a life. He refunded your money, It's your fault you didnt like it. I swear, every post I see wth something do with frank, you are there bitching and whining trying to make a bad name for him.

I say PRAISE him.......he is the one helping produce aftermarket for our car. Grow up.

 

^ Thanks man, much appreciated...

 

Not A Problem.......I can't stand people like that........

 

you would put down better numbers and better times in a manual transmission. The ATX is not performance oriented. Unless you plan on putting in some aftermarket 3 speed auto tranny it would be a waste to try to build an ATX drag car.

 

I'd rather have an ATX if I am actually racing for money, atleast I know what im always gonna run....

 

Auto takes all the fun outta driving.

 

Ya think so? When I flip my little digital fuel computer switch to "performance" mode and watch my Boost gauge go just to 15 psi, knowing I could easily go to 20, and I blow the friggin' doors off whatever you are driving, and I didn't have to change a single gear in the process, I find that to be a quite a bit of fun!

 

manual shifting is better for street racing, since there's a difference with turn's, other traffic, auto for track, proof would be to look in the gm eco build book, once you've hit the gas, no need to have anything to slow yah down, such as shifting

 

IMAO manuals are better, they are cheaper, they give you more control of your car in adverse weather, they are also a little bit more fun to drive.

 

manual is definately more fun to drive then an automatic and its faster.
beside AUTOMATIC TAKES NO SKILL, a freaking 12 year old can mash on the gas and drive the car in a straight line.


Takes skill to learn to get that perfect launch and better your times with a manual because you need to train yourself to shift better every time.

Not saying an auto cant be fast, but manual is more "racing" style.

 

i like both but auto is bettr and more consistant for 1/4 mile racing, stick imo is just for extra fun but a apin for daily driving

 

Garrett Cobalt Turbo System

Pictures are located at the web link

Even uses stock air box and cat converter

Release is 1Qrt of 2006

That should beat the Hahn to market by at least 6-10 months and be just as complete if not better in overall quality. Just look at Edelbrock's turbo kit for the SOHC Civic...

It will include a piggyback controller and if you count your blessing it might be 50 State legal.

 

sounds good we need lots of compettion in this market so the more the merrier

 

This would be great... come tax time!!!

 

It would be nice....it makes 200+ HP. Very interesting for those of us with the superchargers...The possibility of getting my ass whooped by a LS makes me cringe....where are those stage kits....

 

About the whole automatic vs manual thing...

Just ask how much the Honda guys would love to be able to have a transmission that holds up to over 1,000-1,200hp they are putting down now in the Hot Rod class cars.

All of GM's cars use an automatic and you'll find out alot more about the standard 4 speed trans in the Cobalt when a couple of cars enter the Sport FWD Class next season. By rule you have to use the trans that comes in the car. The 4 speed in the drag cars are based on the midsize platform automatic, its in the Performance Handbook..

A stick will be a bit faster for a daily driver and occasional track use. Automatic would be better for weekly drag racing/bracket racing as constanty wins over sheer speed. If your good a rowing gears, then by all means keep your manual. Overall it cost less, all you need is a short shifter, maybe a lightweight flywheel and a good clutch, about $1,000 total.

For automatic to hold up to double the torque from the turbocharged engine, it needs a complete overhaul. For an experience transmission shop to overhaul, rebuild and upgrading your automatic will cost at least $1,200 in labor and parts. That includes a new convert and custom valvebody or even reverse valvebody (D is the final gear, you pull towards to to shift up).

If I got a Cobalt (which is highly unlikely now) I would get an automatic because the cars goal would be to build something between Phase 5 and the Hot Rod Class cars because I need every advantage I can get when class leaders run 9.70's without wheelie bars and limited to a 25" tall tire. Output is around 600-650hp.

The Phase 5 cars haven't been pushed far enough to even see what it will run. I would think somewhere in the high 10's.

Anyway, the point is you can do it either way. Done right the car will be fast.

 

good post