I don't think anyone saw my post in the Intense kit vs. the Stage 2 kit thread. So i'm going to make my own thread about it.

Alright I've been thinking. GM says the chip reflash gives it what 31hp? Now people have been getting 15 hp from a 3" pulley. So stage 2 should really give you around 251 hp going by just the stage reflash and with a 3 inch pulley dyno. Now if you were to use very simple math, every size smaller pulley would give you 5 hp. 3.35 is tock so 3.25 would give you 5 more 3.15 would give you 10 more hp etc. Using this math, with a 2.8" pulley, you should recieve at least 25 more hp. (jmc or whoever ran the 2.6 pulley recieved 43whp and still needed a better tune so that 25 is probably conservative). 25+31+205=261hp. Using this simple equation, the GM stage 2 kit should have 261hp with the 2.8 inch pulley. (or 2.85 w.e)

Remember now, these are just estimated numbers. But do you guys think that i'm pretty close or i have something going on here? Or am i just an idiot and don't know what i'm talking about?

not to mention most car's dyno well above the 205 mark.

are GM quoting at the wheels or at the crank?

That's the thing, I have not one clue. I'm hoping it's to the wheels though. I'm just going by what they say such as the stock 205 hp even though most dyno more. They said 31 so i'm just going by that.

i think that you snf the other 15 people who have guessed about that are about right.

it's GM ... while I have no proof of parts ratings I can safely say that GM has a history for under rating their vehicles and parts far under what they can actually do in some cases and many of us are driving that and other under rated products as we post

Based on Eaton's charts and my excellent MAC1101 math skills I reached a verdict of every psi on our motor with an m62 gen 5 supercharer (the one we have).
1psi = 8.6hp

Based on Eaton's charts and my excellent MAC1101 math skills I reached a verdict of every psi on our motor with an m62 gen 5 supercharer (the one we have).
1psi = 8.6hp

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haha J/K. Welcome Mang.

PLEASE keep this in mind, AS SOON AS you put that 2.8 on your car you just VOIDED the warranty you all claim is so important with the stage 2 GM kit. The stage 2 kit is not a 2.8, it's a 3.1 ;) Just a little reminder ;)

it's not voiding the warranty if they don't find out :)

The moment I bought this car, I knew I wouldn't have the warranty. Besides, If I really need it, I have that magnuson or w/e act that I can read over and possibly get them with.

The moment I bought this car, I knew I wouldn't have the warranty. Besides, If I really need it, I have that magnuson or w/e act that I can read over and possibly get them with.

That's right, you play you pay. Simple as that. Warrantys are people who don't know how to get through the legal loop holes.

it's not voiding the warranty if they don't find out :)

I take offense to that! Are you saying us technicians are idiots?? :nono:

Besides, you'll wear out your SC bolt holes r&r'ing that pulley everytime you go to the dealer :lol:

I take offense to that! Are you saying us technicians are idiots?? :nono:

Besides, you'll wear out your SC bolt holes r&r'ing that pulley everytime you go to the dealer :lol:

:lol: just repaint the bolts and buff the whole a little bit.

ewww they only give you a 3.1 with the stage two kit? Thats real sissy. I can only emagine how conservitive the tune that comes with it is going to be.

The tune can't be too conservative if the Grand Am cup cars run the stage 2 tune with a smaller than stage 2 pulley....

Who's to say the stage II reflash is as agressive as the Cup Car?

Holy shit, can you guys not just wait until it comes out?

Holy shit, can you guys not just wait until it comes out?

EXACTLY!

Call me crazy, but my guess for power with stage 1 plus 2.8" pulley is 295 hp at the crank, and roughly 265 whp. I think the increased redline will allow the car to get a little more power than most expect, and GM has always underrated this car. Regardless of what the max hp turns out to be, torque and mid range power will be amazing.

who cares, when they come out then we will REALLY see whats gonna come of this, either way stage 2 is gonna = one fast f**king car:) and were all gonna love how fast this thing is gonna pull

*cries* I just want it *jumps up and down with a hissy fit*

will the computer hace any problem accepting a 2.8 pulley instead of the stage 2 3.1 pulley.

^^ That is one thing I am worried about. The computer is going to be programed to work with the boost from a 3.1" pulley, not a 2.8. If your wanting to install a 2.8" pulley your going to still need a piggyback setup to be able to tune it perfectly.

im just goin stage 2, good enuff for me;)

y doesnt GM go with the 2.8?

cause they don't want people killing themselves? I dunno

I personally, am going to go for stage 2 and install my Billetflow interchangable pully system and be able to swap sizes if needed.

if im not mistaken, the step up from stage 1 to stage 2 doesnt include another recalibration, its just the pulley. so there really wouldnt be a need for going stage two, just stage one and then 2.8

Exactly and the computer will not need a piggyback to accept the smaller size. Everything is in a nice little package :cool:

Exactly and the computer will not need a piggyback to accept the smaller size. Everything is in a nice little package :cool:
HA I have this weird feeling that Gm is going to find a way to cockblock us on the smaller pully thing. With like an equation that can see if were running more boost than normal and pull timing or sumthing. Don't trust those guys at GM there some crafty Mofo's.

GM is trying to make this platform there next big thing so just cuz it took them FOREVERRRRRRR to make these damn things doesnt mean they want to stop you from modifying it. Theres a powerpoint presentation some guy posted a while ago that was used during a GM meeting to decide what to do with the "tuner" crowd and its a fairly positive presentation on what GM wants to do. I dont know who posted it but for those who have it they know what I'm talking about.

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werd, in a few weeks we will be owning the kits (hopefully) so post less- save your$ for the kit

So, 260-ish-whp <underrated 10whp from stock> plus intake and exhaust = Evo killer????? Is this theory correct?

So, 260-ish-whp <underrated 10whp from stock> plus intake and exhaust = Evo killer????? Is this theory correct?
well.....Add drag radials and a driver mod to that equation than you have a maybe.

Question for you guys...The Stage 2 you guys are talking about by GM...Is it better (or supost to be) than the stage 3 INTENSE has ready?

Well it should be safer. And it's warrantied, unless you put a 2.8 inch pulley on it which many of us will. I'd rather have something from GM on my car than aftermarket because they were the ones who built the car so they should know the car better. I'm not dissing Intense's stage 3, because that kit is sick. It probably puts down more hp than stage 2 definately but to be on the safe side i'm going with the GM Stage 2 kit so that I don't have to tune anything like you have to do with the Intense kit.

True...What is a price range on this? and is the stage 1 required be4 the stage 2??? sorry if im asking a question already answered somewhere i just joined last night..

Hey don't worry. We are all here to help each other out. We don't know the price as of yet but it's been speculated around 700-800. And then install which would be about 300. So about 1000. Yes that's pretty expensive but in my opinion worht it since I am using the 2.8" pulley. And no, you do not have to get stage 1 to get stage 2. Stage 1 is just the reflash/recalibration. Stage 2 has the recalibration, larger fuel injectors, 3" pulley, and a new belt for the supercharge I belive so that the pulley doesn't slip. Even though I have a 2 size smaller pulley I ordered the non slip so it shouldn't slip at all. It would definately slip if i had a 2.6 inch pulley even if it were a non slip pulley. It would just be too small for the belt.

wrong:

Stage 1 = reflash and injectors (just like the SRT)
Stage 2 = reflash, injectors, belt and pulley

K cool..Thanks...Humm 1000 dollars huh i can save that in 2 months max so i should be okay:)

if im not mistaken, the step up from stage 1 to stage 2 doesnt include another recalibration, its just the pulley. so there really wouldnt be a need for going stage two, just stage one and then 2.8

From the little I understand, the Stage 1 kit will include the recalibration necessary not only for the Stage 1 kit, but for the Stage 2 as well. As a result, no recalibration will be needed when you upgrade from Stage 1 to Stage 2, or just get the Stage 2 straight off the bat like I intend to. I guess GM intends to make that torque upgrade appealing enough that anyone who buys the Stage 1 and had a brain previously installed in their head will be getting the Stage 2 in the immediate future.

My problem at this point is strictly financial. I'm Active Duty USAF and it just blows my mind how many people EXCEPT me have the bankroll to support all this. :)

Well I can tell you that I had this money saved up from a while ago. I specifically saved all of this money for my car. Now this is going back 3-4 years ago. I'm taking some of it out of the bank now and buying my carbon fiber hood soon. Man I can't wait. :)