View Full Version : Cobalt SS/SC vs. GSR integra
JCswoosher2 02-13-2006, 05:46 PM ive got this guy at work that is talking crap to me. he has a GSR frankenstein Integra (whatever frankenstein is). and he has a piggyback computer system on there. i told him we would only race at the track and thats in April. Do u think he would stand a chance if i have the stage 2 kit with a 2.8 pulley,stage 2 clutch and flywheel,intake,exhaust?
Who would win? please help me out
campo165 02-13-2006, 05:48 PM i dont think he stands a chance anyways...integras are amazingly slow from my experiences around them.
Waylin22 02-13-2006, 05:49 PM dude...put him in his place. You could still take him stock, go kick his ass
JCswoosher2 02-13-2006, 05:49 PM i get the hint he may spray on me. but surely its not mroe than a 75 shot. so i think i still have him. no way hes pushing over 200 w/o nitrous
campo165 02-13-2006, 05:50 PM http://www.gs-r.com/speclist.html , i DONT THINK thats anything to be scared of....at ALL.
JCswoosher2 02-13-2006, 05:51 PM hes all laughing at me for spending $25,000 on a 200 hp car. i told him i could have a $3,000 integra with $18,000 motor work. but its still a $3,000 car. lol. hes took his back seat out and everything. i told him i would race him with his back seat in my car. I told him i was going to take my rear view mirrors off so i can lose weight and not have to see him
campo165 02-13-2006, 05:52 PM haha thats awesome
2K5SS/SC? 02-13-2006, 06:01 PM Frankenstein motor is an LS Integra B18 with a VTEC head from the GSR motor. Pretty stout combo actually. I think an SS/SC could definately take it. Well, at least one that isn't mine since the engine broke!
ralliartist 02-13-2006, 07:08 PM i don't think you will lose, but i don't think you are gonna kill him either. i've known the frankenstein integra's to be pretty stout. let us know what happens, should be real interesting.
tomt5078 02-13-2006, 08:29 PM http://www.gs-r.com/speclist.html , i DONT THINK thats anything to be scared of....at ALL.
My 96' GSR ran 14.9 all day, it could be a drivers race since most SS's run 15 second 1/4 miles. If your a good drive you will win!
JCswoosher2 02-13-2006, 08:42 PM im not the best driver. but i think witht he stage kits. theres no way he will beat me unless he sprays
YellowLT 02-13-2006, 08:46 PM It'll be close. A frankenstein block is actualy a combo of two blocks, thus giving him better torque cause this also could be the bottom end out of a rav4, just dont underestimate him
shcwv 02-13-2006, 11:04 PM i raced a guy with a GSR motor in it. here is the video. i dont have a good launch tho. but this was before my tranny mount, pulley, or bushings. http://www.houston-imports.com/forums/showthread.php?t=263566&highlight=cobalt
JCswoosher2 02-13-2006, 11:08 PM says its expired
shcwv 02-13-2006, 11:09 PM dang it. i have the video on my desktop, i just dont know how to put it online
eastcoastz 02-13-2006, 11:34 PM If it was a stock GSR then you must be a terrible driver.
shcwv 02-13-2006, 11:38 PM well from a roll i did fine, but my launch sucks. this is my first manual car also BTW
BlackSS05 02-13-2006, 11:38 PM it was a celica i believe. i saw the vid on streetfire. guy was modded out the ass no exhaust i forgot wat else. but he def wasnt stock.
BlackSS05 02-13-2006, 11:43 PM ok my bad my bad this was the vid i saw its a celica gt-s gsr gts gs rs all teh same shit to me SS lol. http://videos.streetfire.net/search/cobalt+ss/2/5D851A9B-40DE-4D4A-8D83-991E60775216.htm
BullDog71ss 02-13-2006, 11:47 PM it was a celica i believe. i saw the vid on streetfire. guy was modded out the ass no exhaust i forgot wat else. but he def wasnt stock.
No, they're not talking about the Celica GT-S race. Also, the GT-S wasn't really "modded out the ass." It had a fuel controller, exhaust, intake and the back seats were removed. The Cobalt that raced the Celica had an intake. Oh yeah, the Celica had just a driver, the Cobalt had a driver + camera dude. That was a good race however.
OURCOBALTSS 02-13-2006, 11:47 PM i have a gsr with i\h\e and will get my but kicked my our cobalt . my girlfriend and i actually raced from 60 and she murdered me there is no comp...
BullDog71ss 02-13-2006, 11:49 PM i have a gsr with i\h\e and will get my but kicked my our cobalt . my girlfriend and i actually raced from 60 and she murdered me there is no comp...
What year gsr is it? Also what engine is that...b16 of some sort??
Mines_Better 02-13-2006, 11:55 PM you can take him even of youre stock. if you have all that other stuff you mentioned then you will kill him! ive raced a civic hatch with a GSR swap, i/h/e, MSD, different plugs and some other stuff. i killed him by about 10-15 cars, it wasnt pretty. i was stock then as well.
eastcoastz 02-13-2006, 11:57 PM B18b is GSR I think. It all comes down on the driver most of the time. Like why can I always beat my friend with an 04 STi from a dig. Because he cannot launch an AWD, and now he thinks my lightly modded SS is a low 13 second car LoL!
ralliartist 02-14-2006, 01:13 AM it's all up to drivers and tuning. just a gsr isn't going to do much. but a frankenstein is an ls integra with a gsr head and if it has been tuned, it'll make for a tough race. trust me. just make sure you let us know the outcome.
c7015 02-14-2006, 09:43 AM My 96' GSR ran 14.9 all day, it could be a drivers race since most SS's run 15 second 1/4 miles. If your a good drive you will win!
why dont you go ahead and delete this post ... wel all know that MOST dont run in the 15's ...
tomt5078 02-18-2006, 11:18 AM why dont you go ahead and delete this post ... wel all know that MOST dont run in the 15's ...
Mine did and at this track stock CobaltSS have a hard time getting into the 14's, so it could be a drivers race.
c7015 02-18-2006, 11:30 AM Mine did and at this track stock CobaltSS have a hard time getting into the 14's, so it could be a drivers race.
So your One cobalt at One track ran One time ...so that must mean "most" cobalts in the world run those times... your logic is stupid ...
tomt5078 02-18-2006, 12:13 PM So your One cobalt at One track ran One time ...so that must mean "most" cobalts in the world run those times... your logic is stupid ...
OK stupid fuc, it wasn't one!
Of the 20+ that I have seen go down the 1320 only "3" of them ran in the 14's.
The rest are in the mid to high 15's.
Is this better logic for you?
So what does your's run, I'm guessing mid 14's.
Wolfman 02-18-2006, 12:15 PM Please just destroy him, and take a video of it too.
bluechevyss05 02-18-2006, 12:19 PM if you cant break into the 14's with your cobalt, TRADE IT IN AND GIVE SOMEONE A CHANCE TO OWN HER THAT KNOWS HOW TO DRIVE! Look at all the times by the better drivers on the site, most post mid 14's, my personal best completely stock is 14.45. Just learn to drive the car man, dont try and rub your 15 second driver mod off on us.
mycavisux97 02-18-2006, 12:27 PM [QUOTE=bluechevyss05]if you cant break into the 14's with your cobalt, TRADE IT IN AND GIVE SOMEONE A CHANCE TO OWN HER THAT KNOWS HOW TO DRIVE! Look at all the times by the better drivers on the site, most post mid 14's, my personal best completely stock is 14.45. Just learn to drive the car man, dont try and rub your 15 second driver mod off on us.[/QUOTE
were those 15 second cars 2.4ss'? or were they supercharged? if they were the ss/sc you and everyone at the track should give em up man. LEARN TO DRIVE! Tofu ran a 13.8 in his ss/sc (modded) so there you go with the whole 15 sec thing.. read some posts and 1/4 mile times before you come on here and say all cobalts run 15s.. blue chevys right they mostly are mid 14s.
bmoreyellowss 02-18-2006, 12:28 PM man u can kick the crap out of that ricer stock
Darksun 02-18-2006, 12:34 PM [QUOTE=bluechevyss05]if you cant break into the 14's with your cobalt, TRADE IT IN AND GIVE SOMEONE A CHANCE TO OWN HER THAT KNOWS HOW TO DRIVE! Look at all the times by the better drivers on the site, most post mid 14's, my personal best completely stock is 14.45. Just learn to drive the car man, dont try and rub your 15 second driver mod off on us.[/QUOTE
were those 15 second cars 2.4ss'? or were they supercharged? if they were the ss/sc you and everyone at the track should give em up man. LEARN TO DRIVE! Tofu ran a 13.8 in his ss/sc (modded) so there you go with the whole 15 sec thing.. read some posts and 1/4 mile times before you come on here and say all cobalts run 15s.. blue chevys right they mostly are mid 14s.
Well before you guys hop all over him check the time slip thread its over on ss.com. The avg is 14.8-15.0 of course there are the few who run higher and lower. But its a fact that all cobalts won't run mid 14's all day long. Other things come into play to like driver and altitude.
c7015 02-18-2006, 03:02 PM OK stupid fuc, it wasn't one!
Of the 20+ that I have seen go down the 1320 only "3" of them ran in the 14's.
The rest are in the mid to high 15's.
Is this better logic for you?
So what does your's run, I'm guessing mid 14's.
OK Stupid Fuck ... did you ever think that because you are in one area you cant take that as what the track average would be everywhere (thats the average for your area) ...you have to look at the average from all locations, not just one track in one location ... mid 14.6 is a better average to use not 15 ...
did you ever think that the times might be high in your area for reasons such as
-elevation
-poor track prep
-the ramped inbreeding that takes place in Wisconsin
yes there are shitty CSS drivers hitting 15 but no its not as common as you would have people beleive and certainly not an average
in conclusion thanks to Wisconsin for bringing up the Css track average ...most cobalt’s driven by drivers not afflicted by down syndrome can manage a mid 14 pass
hawkeyez 02-18-2006, 03:10 PM Dude you should be able to take him with no problem. Go and show him what a SS/SC can do and let him read the SS emblem
tomt5078 02-19-2006, 01:23 PM OK Stupid Fuck ... did you ever think that because you are in one area you cant take that as what the track average would be everywhere (thats the average for your area) ...you have to look at the average from all locations, not just one track in one location ... mid 14.6 is a better average to use not 15 ...
did you ever think that the times might be high in your area for reasons such as
-elevation
-poor track prep
-the ramped inbreeding that takes place in Wisconsin
yes there are shitty CSS drivers hitting 15 but no its not as common as you would have people beleive and certainly not an average
in conclusion thanks to Wisconsin for bringing up the Css track average ...most cobalt’s driven by drivers not afflicted by down syndrome can manage a mid 14 pass
WOW
I'm guess your a teenager, we're in a car forum and your talking about inbreeding in Wisconsin and poor kids with Downs. Grow up and get a life. So you know I'm not from Wisconsin so I cant speak about this subject, but you might know something about inbreeding since you brought it up, but I won't go their.
Please read these forums and the stuff at the .COM site and you will see that I speak the truth about the 1/4 mile ave. time for the CobaltSS.
The times in my area are on the good side and in favor of all cars.
So what does your car run? Then I can put this into the averages around here, since you didn't answer I'm guessing you have DOWN ASS CLOWN.
SS4ME 02-19-2006, 01:34 PM My 96' GSR ran 14.9 all day, it could be a drivers race since most SS's run 15 second 1/4 miles. If your a good drive you will win!
OMG, you did that once with bald tires and a 20mph tail wind! The GSR does not stand a chance unless you can't drive! Plus most of these 15's that people are running, we'll that is all on the driver, PERIOD! :nono: Oh, c7015, you have too be one of the biggest IDIOTS on this site! You live in Canada, stupid Canuck, crawl at out of your Granma's hole. Your statement about indreeding has got be the most unintelligent things I have ever heard. Oh, he's from Illinios too moron!
c7015 02-19-2006, 06:13 PM OMG, you did that once with bald tires and a 20mph tail wind! The GSR does not stand a chance unless you can't drive! Plus most of these 15's that people are running, we'll that is all on the driver, PERIOD! :nono: Oh, c7015, you have too be one of the biggest IDIOTS on this site! You live in Canada, stupid Canuck, crawl at out of your Granma's hole. Your statement about indreeding has got be the most unintelligent things I have ever heard. Oh, he's from Illinios too moron!
I'm the biggest moron on the site yet you agree with my point ...did your little cheese dick get offended when I mentioned Wisconsin ...
oh sorry I didn’t inherently know where he lived aside from the thing that says ... Location: Wisconsin
cvenom2122 02-19-2006, 06:24 PM im gonna get my words in before this thread gets locked!
I have a friend with a integra GSR with intake, exhaust, header, (no cat), hondata ECU of somesort, new injectors, and is gutted.
before he gutted his car i would beat him by 1 or mabe 2 cars once he gutted it he can now beat me. with all those mods before gutting he ran 14.5(spinning 1st,2nd,chirp 3rd on good tires) now he is probably a low 14 mabe high 13 second car
this guy you going to race has a frankenstein motor... from what i remember this engine setup gives the car more available tq down low right? just take a look in this guys trunk before you race (look for N20, and see if hes gutted) cus if he is your a gonner if not you may win! he'll gain his ground on you when you shift (6.5k rpms <-you, 9k+ rpms <-him) atleast that is how it goes with my friend
SS4ME 02-19-2006, 06:53 PM I'm the biggest moron on the site yet you agree with my point ...did your little cheese dick get offended when I mentioned Wisconsin ...
oh sorry I didn’t inherently know where he lived aside from the thing that says ... Location: Wisconsin
You are a douche bag! I'm heading to Toronto in the summer and have to pass through your redneck sh!thole, I will be happy to give you attitude adjustment along my way you 18 year old Fag!
Spoony 02-24-2006, 08:05 PM You've stated your friend has a frankenstein engine + a piggyback computer, which makes me think there are likely a whole host of other mods you don't know about...it's unlikely the rest of his car is stock. In short...we really don't know enough about the car to state one way or another.
c7015 02-25-2006, 04:40 PM You are a douche bag! I'm heading to Toronto in the summer and have to pass through your redneck sh!thole, I will be happy to give you attitude adjustment along my way you 18 year old Fag!
Someone from Wisconson calling me a red neck ... :lol:
oh no dont threaten me over the internet and show me your inability to count ...
SS4ME 02-25-2006, 05:01 PM [QUOTE=c7015]Someone from Wisconson calling me a red neck ... :lol:
oh no dont threaten me over the internet and show me your inability to count ...[/QUOT
You are clueless! I know all about the dump you live in, you don't even know what part of Wisconsin I live in. I bet that a lot more people live in my area per square mile then in your featureless city! I also know that you may get shot up if you call the wrong person a redneck around here! So crawl back into your hole of solittude and shut your trap before someone does it for you!
Cobalt_Supercharged 02-25-2006, 05:06 PM Beware. My friend has a civic with a '97 GSR motor turboed, and he runs much better times than us. He might have more power than you think. Either way, take it to the track, be safe, and most of all have fun.
c7015 02-26-2006, 04:52 PM You are clueless! I know all about the dump you live in, you don't even know what part of Wisconsin I live in. I bet that a lot more people live in my area per square mile then in your featureless city! I also know that you may get shot up if you call the wrong person a redneck around here! So crawl back into your hole of solittude and shut your trap before someone does it for you!
you can't even complete a quote and you are calling me clueless .... I'll be damned if I am going to let someone from a place that made margarine illegal, call my city futureless ...go find some Swiss cheese to pleasure yourself with
SS4ME 02-26-2006, 05:43 PM you can't even complete a quote and you are calling me clueless .... I'll be damned if I am going to let someone from a place that made margarine illegal, call my city futureless ...go find some Swiss cheese to pleasure yourself with
You have a low IQ don't ya?:wtf: Sorry about my inability to count, you're a 16 year old!:rolleyes: :usa:
The_Koof 02-26-2006, 06:09 PM :nono: C7015 that is awefully imature of you to be bashing a state just because we may not be as supposed high class as wherever you are from. Sure we have a lot of people running around in pickup trucks (I'm one of them), do a lot of farming and hunting and the state doesn't come accross as the classiest of the Union but so what? Doesn't give you a reason to make comments like that.
This is supposed to be a friendly forum where we share a passion for our cars and for some the car the want to own in the near future (me again), exchange useful information and maybe even make some friends, not insult other people. I'll go to the AutoWeek forum if I want that.
I'll get off my soapbox now.
Not knowing what all else has been done to the GSR it is hard to say what would happen.
plyboy-illest 02-26-2006, 06:21 PM Smoke His Ass!
CynicX 03-15-2006, 05:38 PM usually people that do engine mods such as a frankstien + piggyback computer have done other mods. A frankstien motor isnt a 2 hour mod.
What is the altitude you are racing at? Near sea level I think you will win, if not I think he would. You can definately tell the differences in a FI car at sea level vs 2000+ feet above.
I went to Sky Line Drive VA a while back and it felt like I was pulling an anchor...
Skottish 03-17-2006, 05:59 AM a friend of mine has a GSR with the ever-so-wanted B-18C V-tech......he also has cold air, full 2.75 exhaust, and upgraded fuel mapping.....i raced him in my LS and he didnt beat my all that badly....so i wouldnt worry about that GSR if you have a SS/SC.....i have an LS and only got beat by 1 or 2 car lengths......GOOD LUCK
JCswoosher2 03-17-2006, 06:21 AM UPDATE. the guy witht he GSR i was going to race. lost his license for 9 months. race is off now. he sold his Integra and bought a Civic
Toronto SS 03-17-2006, 06:41 AM You are a douche bag! I'm heading to Toronto in the summer and have to pass through your redneck sh!thole, I will be happy to give you attitude adjustment along my way you 18 year old Fag!
:nono: I think you have Toronto confused with Edmonton. :lol: :lol:
tomt5078 03-17-2006, 10:22 AM No he doesn't, the idiot c7015 made all Canada look bad :nono:
this actually is a b20z block and a type-r or b16a head witch is the sir civic i have this setup on my integra and i have vafc computer also have cams toda b's witch are stage 2 also clutch and flywheel stage 2 igot my block has been craddle and bored 84.5 with high compression pistons the compression is set 11-5-1 exhaust cai so on but to get to the point this setup is very capable of beating our cars stock my friend owns one with few less things then mine and he dynoed 198.7whp 152.1wtq
charged_sunfire 03-20-2006, 02:22 PM isnt the franky swap a honda crv bottom end with a b18 head or something that makes ungodly amount of N/A power? im not honda expert at all but this is what i thought it was.
ralliartist 03-20-2006, 04:21 PM the race is off now and the guy doesn't even have the integra anymore, what a waist of forum space. some mod, just please delete this whole thread!
Eddie 03-26-2006, 01:07 AM calm down w/ the profanity. aight. this is going to far. youve been warned
Michael 03-26-2006, 01:23 AM Why did the guy lose his license?
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