So who's got it? Whats the quickest an NA 2.2 L61 street legal, daily drivable, Chevrolet Cobalt, Pontiac G5, or Saturn Ion has gone???

16sec, lol NOT VERY FAST.

I saw someone on here with a 15.26...

Thats the lowest I've seen.

why dont you look in the 1/4 mile list...? :rolleyes: Its even a sticky..

There are some 12 sec cavy's out there.

didnt' theflyinsquirrel go 13.9 or something all motor

Did he get 13.9? The last I saw was a 14.0. Still pretty awesome. :)

Yeah we really need to nut up and get into the high 14s with these Cobalts. Wish we weren't heavier than the Cavy guys. Taking out excess weight should do that though.

Maven!!

why dont you look in the 1/4 mile list...? :rolleyes: Its even a sticky..

Flamer........... haha

Fred at SMG has the quickest I believe :-)

theres a few sub 14 sec cavs with the L61 however their builds are far more serious than anyone has done on here

Yeah I am well aware of the achievments of the J-body guys, PJ has gone 14.0's and another cat by the name of Ben has what I have found to be the lowest NA time of 13.4, but these are J's, so its not really the information I want, I'd have a real hard time(and am unwilling to) getting an '08 Balt down to the same race weight as Ben or PJ's Cav's.

mkulrey13: Ive been around for a while, I am well aware of the 1/4 mile list (and search "search" feature before you mention that too) but I felt an actual interactive discussion and a new thread might bring more information and possibly new achievements to the table. And while it hasnt been verified the 15.26 mentioned here, if on street tires would be the quickest, and its not on the list.

BlackedoutCoby's 15.18 is currently, according THE LIST the quickest all motor 2.2 Coby known here, I'd like to know more about that car as while a .16 et improvemnt seems possible with drag slicks and a header(versus the next fastest all motor car) its the trap speed of 93+mph that intrigues me.

It seems like a 14.90 would give somebody total(2.2/2.4) Delta all motor bragging rights.......

Maven!!

ilovecars!!

Yeah I am here occasionally. I am too old and dont have enough time or patience to come here all the time anymore. :lol:

Fred from smg has beaten PJs time.....

Fred from smg has beaten PJs time.....

Okay, So have other people, thanks. (Fred is also now turbo)

no shit, i was referring to all motor

im boggled that nobody has been able to get into 14s NA, well i guess lack of hp tuners has some effect

i ran a 15.48 with onlya cai
i do have slips to prove it, and im sure my centex club members will back me up as they were there at the track with me haha

im boggled that nobody has been able to get into 14s NA, well i guess lack of hp tuners has some effect

I'd say thats the reason entirely. We can do nothing but CA intake, exhaust, and maybe really mild cams. Without the freedom to correct the programing any serious builds would need a complete stand alone ECU and ignition system. N2O and turbo kits are way cheaper in comparison

freds cavalier went 13.6 all motor 2.2

freds cavalier went 13.6 all motor 2.2

WTF man, I said I know......its also not relevant since 13.6 isnt quickest ET anyway, nor was it done in a Delta body, damn his car didnt even heat or a dashboard, Give it a rest.

ilovecars!!

Yeah I am here occasionally. I am too old and dont have enough time or patience to come here all the time anymore. :lol:

ha i feel you

15.5 @89mph.shit tires+lots of spin,cat back and intake only...ill get header and DP with cat delete and better tires and well see about high 14's...oh and 2.4 mani

15.5 @89mph.shit tires+lots of spin,cat back and intake only...ill get header and DP with cat delete and better tires and well see about high 14's...oh and 2.4 mani

i did 15.48
without the cat back, and shitty tires as well. haha

lol wow what a bitch. shoulda specified that in the first post

lol wow what a bitch. shoulda specified that in the first post

lol wow, Didnt feel I needed to specify I was interested in COBALT ECOTEC times since this is a COBALT website. Clearly some people understood that since no one was quoting me 2.2 LN2 times nor was there a single time on here from an A515 Chrysler or an EJ22 Suby.

you must really have like no patience for ignorance... your the worst i'v seen lately! may i ask you how do you deal with everyday situations? you must be a real pleasure to be around http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Unhappy/mad-040.gif

ditto that

and arent the 2.2 ecos the same in both the cobalt and the cavalier?

you must really have like no patience for ignorance... your the worst i'v seen lately! may i ask you how do you deal with everyday situations? you must be a real pleasure to be around http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Unhappy/mad-040.gif

why should I need to have patience for ignorance??

I dont think my response was that outlandish or even offensive. S/He made 3 comments regarding a particular car/drivers accomplishments. I responded respectfully to the first comment:
07MetallicSC : Fred at SMG has the quickest I believe :-)
Maven :Yeah I am well aware of the achievments of the J-body guys....

Then I get this:

07MetallicSC: Fred from smg has beaten PJs time..... Which is blatantly ignorant because not only did I already acknowledge the J body issue, I also specifically pointed out that PJ's time wasnt the top J E.T.
But I responded in a civil and reasonable manner:

Maven : Okay, So have other people, thanks. (Fred is also now turbo)

To which I get the unbelievable 3rd reply of:

07MetallicSC :freds cavalier went 13.6 all motor 2.2

Its only now that I even get agitated. I had already pointed out that I knew what the J guys were doin, and who the fast J guys were, I also made it clear I wasnt able(or willing) to get an '08 Cobalt down to the weight of the lightened STREET cars of PJ, Ben and others, and 07Metallic continues to inform me of the times that Fred has gotten in his fully gutted and race prepped Cavalier.

And I am the one to be called out as a "bitch"?!??!

07MetallicSC appears to just be repetitively posting information that s/he feels like, without even looking at the content of whats already been posted or attempting to fruitfully add to the discussion.

The extent of my expression of impatience or anger at the situation was a single "wtf", and "give it a rest" If those statements put me atop the list of people with short tempers and low tolerance at CSS then i guess thats a good thing as it would indicate that this place has matured a great bit if I am now the biggest asshole. But sadly we all know that isnt the case.

ditto that

and arent the 2.2 ecos the same in both the cobalt and the cavalier?

Okay, NOW I am gonna lash out. WHAT THE F*CK IS YOUR PROBLEM?!?!?!?!

Are you even reading any of the posts? Do you realize that you are on the COBALT website right now, and its highly likely that any questions asked are gonna be in reference to that platform?


Who gives a sh!t if the engines are the same, the cars are different, the Cobalt weighs more, not just a little either, we are talking potentially 400+lbs difference when you strip a J and strip a Cobalt. Thats a massive difference.
The 2.2 that came in the Classic was the same too but its a different car.....The L61 also came in the GA and the Alero but I didnt hear anything about those cars setting low times....WHY??? because they weigh hundreds and hundreds of pounds more than a J body and arent in the same league, so the same results cant be expected. Just like we cant expect the same results from a Delta as we can from a J body.


If you cant be bothered to read the f*cking thread and contribute in an even remotely adult or worthwhile fashion why even come in????

im all motor

I gotta agree with Maven on this :lol: sorry...

have never ran my 2.2 N/A yet at the track, after cams and a tune I wouldn't mind givin it a shot. i'm about the closest non Cobalt 2.2 you could use for comparison sake :D

So really how hard is cam install on these bastards?

I really want to, but I am so scared to do it myself and need to find a dealer that is knowledgable

I think with a cam, fully bolted, tune, and weight reduction that a high 14 would be easy.

I ran 15.026 at 93 something all motor.

lol why bother getting all worked up over the internet man seriously. just over read stuff.

[QUOTE=Maven;2853284]why should I need to have patience for ignorance??



ehh all i was getting at is...

this site has gone down hill hence why you dont come on here anymore right? then you open a thread and mention the "2.2" word... that is like saying "ignorant posts here please" im sorry but that is were all the bs stems from... and you were well aware of that! so to get so worked up over it (just seems like you were wound a little tight today) then ignore ignorance and move on you'll waste alot of breath trying to comment back to all of em and in the meantime get really worked up...

thes are just things i have been through and thats the way i feel about it. but again its jmo


i mean shit half no three quartes of the 2.2 people dont even read before they post... they're like crack heads... with the post button being the crack.... they just cant leave it alone... lets not even start about the new thread button :lol:

im all motor

Yeah, your time is pretty respectable, low 15's is what expected, wasnt sure if anyone hit 14's yet.

So really how hard is cam install on these bastards?

I really want to, but I am so scared to do it myself and need to find a dealer that is knowledgable

I think with a cam, fully bolted, tune, and weight reduction that a high 14 would be easy.
Cams in this are no harder than cams in any other engine. There are special tools that make it a relatively quick job as well that doesnt even involve touching the timing chains.
I was hoping that a solid L61 build in a Coby would get 14 second slips, and I am now pretty sure that it will, as you pointed out, cams will be key.

I ran 15.026 at 93 something all motor. Youre the benchmark then. :guns:

lol why bother getting all worked up over the internet man seriously. just over read stuff.
STFU
orginally posted by Mavenwhy should I need to have patience for ignorance??
ehh all i was getting at is...

this site has gone down hill hence why you dont come on here anymore right? then you open a thread and mention the "2.2" word... that is like saying "ignorant posts here please" im sorry but that is were all the bs stems from... and you were well aware of that! so to get so worked up over it (just seems like you were wound a little tight today) then ignore ignorance and move on you'll waste alot of breath trying to comment back to all of em and in the meantime get really worked up...

thes are just things i have been through and thats the way i feel about it. but again its jmo


i mean shit half no three quartes of the 2.2 people dont even read before they post... they're like crack heads... with the post button being the crack.... they just cant leave it alone... lets not even start about the new thread button :lol:

Thanks for taking the time to post a well thought and insightful reply, and not just flipping out and assuming I had a problem with you simply because I quoted you :)

You of course are pretty much spot on, but I am very glad to see that there have actually been a few people who can actually read and use simple logic and reasoning skills post in this thread. And some of them even understand the task I am inquiring about and the challenges that need to be addressed.

Though I will most likely will not get the mantle, let me officially throw the gauntlet here.....Build a 14 second all motor L61 powered Cobalt/G5/ion(Z22se Astra G for any of us who dont live in the Colonies, do these already exist??)

I ran 15.026 at 93 something all motor.

no wonder you ran 13's on spray, you just have an insanely strong motor. either that or you're running at sea level?!

you sure you don't have a 2.4 under the hood? :)

i did a 15.7, nothin special, did that on intake and full lsj exhaust, im planning on going back to the track sometime in december, now i have intake, tranny mounts, vibrant header/dp, greddy exhaust...i should be somewhere in the lower 15's

lol have fun with your LS

lol have fun with your LS

have fun in your outdated SS

lol outdated 2007....riiiiggghhhtt have fun trying to look like my outdated ss with your spoiler.

we should compile the threads where bolt on 2.2's beat low 14 second (or faster) cars and then refer them to this.

lol outdated 2007....riiiiggghhhtt have fun trying to look like my outdated ss with your spoiler.

:nono: as for the wing, it became a option that year, even the SS didnt come with them, they came with the low rise, you should of known that, and im not trying to look like a SS, and u r outdated, dont u see the 08-09 is turbo'd?, making u outdated, hell the new 2.2 has VVT, making mine outdated, stop thinking ur SS is the shit

I didnt say nothin about it being the shit, and as for the spoiler, the 2nd half of the year ss's had the larger spoiler as an option, not the early batch, did you know that?

Back to motors, not wings.

exactly

weak sauce...there always some SS buff in here."my cars faster!"yes we know get over it...:lol::beer:

but the thing of it was i never said anything about my SS and speed or faster or nothing because it has nothing to do with this thread

Alright back on topic

Lets get a list of what is needed for a high 14

Intake
2.4 intake manifold
Header
D/P
No bigger than 2.5 inch exhaust
tune
engine and tranny mounts
better tires
lower tire pressure
weight reduction (150lbs or more)
drag bags (maybe spring rubber, but I can't find what I saw once)
Good driver (2.3 or less 60'

Would that do it?

lol outdated 2007....riiiiggghhhtt have fun trying to look like my outdated ss with your spoiler.

have fun being a tool with a maybe 13 sec car you think is the shit.

lol guess someone off the slowbus missed the part of moving on?

Alright back on topic

Lets get a list of what is needed for a high 14

Intake
2.4 intake manifold
Header
D/P
No bigger than 2.5 inch exhaust
tune
engine and tranny mounts
better tires
lower tire pressure
weight reduction (150lbs or more)
drag bags (maybe spring rubber, but I can't find what I saw once)
Good driver (2.3 or less 60'

Would that do it?



i am almost there without half of that

lol guess someone off the slowbus missed the part of moving on?

nah i've never ridden in your car.

don't be a dick to 2.2 guys because you have an almighty 2.0

oh and the joke is "short bus"

i am almost there without half of that

Yes you are, but until someone does it, i won't count anyone in or out. A lot of it has to do with conditions and driver error. Hell my car was an easy 15.7 at the track but I couldn't get below 15.97

Ive never mentioned anything about my 2.0 being anything high and mighty over the 2.2. gotta get the facts straight before the bullshit leaves the catapolt
And back onto the quickest all motor 2.2s before the next louse gets derailed again...

Alright back on topic

Lets get a list of what is needed for a high 14

Intake
2.4 intake manifold
Header
D/P
No bigger than 2.5 inch exhaust
tune
engine and tranny mounts
better tires
lower tire pressure
weight reduction (150lbs or more)
drag bags (maybe spring rubber, but I can't find what I saw once)
Good driver (2.3 or less 60'

Would that do it?

Add cams to that and I think there is the potential for a high 14. The good driver is of course key. If they could nail a 2.0 60' I think the ET would be pretty impressive.

I wish I was a good driver. :spam:

What do you guys think a 2.2 with K&N intake, ported lsj header (stock exhaust), and 2.4 manifold would do with street tires?

I definitely don't want to walk away with 16's. :lol:

I'd be happy with 15's, anyone think I got a chance?

what about adding a throttle body to that list with a tune would it help or no?

What do you guys think a 2.2 with K&N intake, ported lsj header (stock exhaust), and 2.4 manifold would do with street tires?

I definitely don't want to walk away with 16's. :lol:

I'd be happy with 15's, anyone think I got a chance?

i did my 15.2 with CAI street tires and exhaust running on 93.. i would put you around a mid 15 but the waether has to be good

i am almost there without half of that

Almost only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. But yeah youre only about 300lbs away from 14's.




07: yeah the larger LE5 throttle body would most likely help, how much is debateable, since the manifold is the biggest restriction. What I am trying to find out is what is the difference between the 06-07 and 08 LE5 intakes, I dont have early style intakes to compare with, I really dont wanna buy two intakes even though I can just return the one I dont use.

I dont intend on hitting the track until I am sure I should hit 14's. Just collecting parts and throwing around ideas right now.

Almost only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. But yeah youre only about 300lbs away from 14's.




07: yeah the larger LE5 throttle body would most likely help, how much is debateable, since the manifold is the biggest restriction. What I am trying to find out is what is the difference between the 06-07 and 08 LE5 intakes, I dont have early style intakes to compare with, I really dont wanna buy two intakes even though I can just return the one I dont use.

I dont intend on hitting the track until I am sure I should hit 14's. Just collecting parts and throwing around ideas right now.

I may or may not get to the track in the next month with my LE5 Throttle Body. It pulls like crazy up top.

Is it anything you can mill out like the SS's or is it plastic? Im not too up to date on my other manifolds.

Is it anything you can mill out like the SS's or is it plastic? Im not too up to date on my other manifolds.

It's all plastic. Someone really need to try the 2.4 Manifold on an 08. There is no reason it shouldn't work

Has there been any major modifications to the motor that anyone knows of that it wouldnt work?

No one knows cause no one has tested it.

I promise they didn't change the mounting points for the 08 intake manifold.

It has to be the same or they would have had to redesign a lot. Which didn't happen.

THe MAP sensor might need to be honed out a little like on the 07 cars

I've heard that the 2.4 TB robs more power than is worth. Where would you find one anyways?

i heard that too. i want to take off my 2.4l intake mani

i heard that too. i want to take off my 2.4l intake mani

I said throttle body, not intake mani.

And really you didn't feel any gains with that intake mani?

i do up top but noithing significant. once i got the tune i am not sure if anything benefited from it, but i went to the track and ran my quickest time without it. put it on and nothing changed. the only time i feel it is when i downshift at seventy mph. not interested in going 90 mph all the time though i want the power downlow

The 2.4L intake manifold works on the '08s and should give the exact same power increase(assuming youre not an '08 XFE)

The whole "08 thing that everyone talks about in regards to the 2.4 mani is actually a big misunderstanding and noone that Ive seen really knows wtf they are talking about they are just quoting CED. What do I mean?:

Well the 07-08 L61 both use the exact same intake manifold. They didnt redesign the L61 intake for '08 afaik. so why wouldnt it work/why would it offer different results??

WELL..........because the '08 LE5 manifold is different. The 06-07 LE5 manifold isnt the same as the 08 LE5 manifold. No ones tested the 08 LE5 manifold yet.

Ive got one of each coming this week(cant check 'em out till at least next week though since I ve got no money, so I wont be able to tear into the boxes without the parts mgr tearing into my ass.

i heard that too. i want to take off my 2.4l intake mani

if i was rich i would do a before and after. Hell Maybe just maybe I'll try both of them at the track. The 2.4 TB for sure robs a little power down low, but up top it's lot a banshee.

Now if there is in fact an increase above 4k like I feel then on a drag strip it is worth it.

The 2.4L intake manifold works on the '08s and should give the exact same power increase(assuming youre not an '08 XFE)

The whole "08 thing that everyone talks about in regards to the 2.4 mani is actually a big misunderstanding and noone that Ive seen really knows wtf they are talking about they are just quoting CED. What do I mean?:

Well the 07-08 L61 both use the exact same intake manifold. They didnt redesign the L61 intake for '08 afaik. so why wouldnt it work/why would it offer different results??

WELL..........because the '08 LE5 manifold is different. The 06-07 LE5 manifold isnt the same as the 08 LE5 manifold. No ones tested the 08 LE5 manifold yet.

Ive got one of each coming this week(cant check 'em out till at least next week though since I ve got no money, so I wont be able to tear into the boxes without the parts mgr tearing into my ass.

whats that sopost to mean? whats wrong with xfe's ?

i am going to the track right now for the first time since my tune....will post time

Good luck. :twothumbs

ilovecars, it doesn "mean" anything theres nothing "wrong" with the XFE's, its just that they come with a different calibration(tune) from the factory and they may not respond the same way to the 2.4 Manifold.

ran at the track...ran a 15.21....very dissapointed after intake mani and tune. i am taking off the intake mani and going this weekend

Still a very respectable time though. Look at mine. :lol: What was your trap?


BTW, did you dyno after the IM and tune?

93.26

and no i did not

Thats a nice increase in the trap. Throw some slicks on there and you will have a 14.9 :guns:

Thats not bad for an intake manifold man, thats probably like 10hp on top(going from 90-93mph)

yeah i had really really bad wheelhop at the line i tried alot of dirrerent methods. I think my next purchase will be the solid front motor mount.....and btw i won the street class and i was the slowest one there...i won 6 rounds

93mph in a probably 3200lb car sounds like 180hp+ to me man...not bad.

Youre good tires, a wicked launch and a tailwind away from being the first in the 14's.

I don't think the intake manifold was a failure. You gained over 3mph in trap speed. That's what you want. Now you just need to work on your launches. Get some good tires and you'll be 14's no problem. 93mph trap is about 180+whp BTW. You are probably over 200 crank hp.

what was your 1/8th mile et and trap speed?

9.82 at 73 best

man, I don't see what to complain about. You gained everywhere! especially the top end! Don't take the intake manifold off.

you need tires now to utilize the power better.

haha i just figured i would have gained more especially after tuning

3mph gain is pretty decent though considering its basically a canned tune. When you get a chance, throw it on a dyno and see how much more power than stock cars you are making.

i have to admit it is wicked fast on the highway lol

dude, 3mph IS A LOT for a N/A 4 cyl car to gain from just an intake manifold and tuning. I don't see what there is to complain about. In all seriousness, you pickup up about 20-30whp. maybe even a tad more.

haha i should just quit and boost the bitch

If you are wanting 100+mph traps, then you need F/I. It's not gonna be easy getting there N/A.

and you beat me too it. lol. Boost will be way cheaper than trying to go really fast n/a.

Yeah, if you want a trap that high you probably need a Patriot performance head, comp stage 2 cams, and a race gas tune. lol

haha i should just quit and boost the bitch

Boost it after you become the first n/a 2.2 on here to get into the 14's. :guns:

Yeah, if you want a trap that high you probably need a Patriot performance head, comp stage 2 cams, and a race gas tune. lol



Boost it after you become the first n/a 2.2 on here to get into the 14's. :guns:

yea no shit, you are a set of tires away from getting into the 14's N/A!!! DO IT!! then boost it.

Yeah, if you want a trap that high you probably need a Patriot performance head, comp stage 2 cams, and a race gas tune. lol



Boost it after you become the first n/a 2.2 on here to get into the 14's. :guns:

you my friend just made it a goal lol

you hit just a 2.1 60ft. and you'll be 14.8/14.9, just don't miss a shift. Power shift that bitch.

the wheelhop is so bad on launch though

slicks, lol

wouldnt that make it grip more and then make it hop more? i would think that spinning would be better i do have 205's on the car

No, it won't hop with slicks. Thats the way to go if you want great traction. You are more likely to hop if you have radials on because of the stiff sidewall.

how wide of slicks though?

I just bought some from a guy that works at my local performance shop. They are 8" wide. That should be plenty for my power level. Get slicks that are for a 15" rim. The smaller the wheel the better.

how much does a set of them cost....and btw....people with hondas and other shit was laughing at my car until i beat all of them lol one kid in a scion tc came uo to me and said he was damn shocked that a little slowbalt could be making low 15 second passes haha Chevy-1 Scion-0

No, you should just give up now.....15.20 is perfectly respectable, let me be the the one to run deep in the 14's and beat on all the 2.4 guys

No, you should just give up now.....15.20 is perfectly respectable, let me be the the one to run deep in the 14's and beat on all the 2.4 guys


haha i have already beaten a couple 2.4 guys on the streets and a couple t the track

yea, slicks won't hop, they have a soft sidewall. Where as drag radials are a soft compound, but still have stiff sidewalls like street tires. Pick yourself up 2 15" rims and get some 15" slicks that are about 8" wide. Hell, you could probably pick some up off a honda guy. lol.

If i could get my 60' down to a 2.1 id be at 14.9 on motor, I ran 15.026 with a 2.3 60'.

Driver mod. ftw, well my shifting atleast.

see i dont get what that means...what is a driver mod

means you can driver extremely good.

For instance, look at the top 10 quarter mile list. Notice how most people run 13's at like 105+mph. I ran a 13.6@100mph. Imagine if I trapped 105+mph, I'd be 12's. Which is what is going to happen next month.

means you can driver extremely good.

For instance, look at the top 10 quarter mile list. Notice how most people run 13's at like 105+mph. I ran a 13.6@100mph. Imagine if I trapped 105+mph, I'd be 12's. Which is what is going to happen next month.

Just so its clearer, this means that ralliartist is most likely a better driver than the guys running 13.6's @ 105, because while they clearly have more horsepower(evidenced by the notably higher trap speed) he is still putting down the same times, meaning hes able to put all of the power he has to the ground better than the other guys. This could just as easily be accounted for by a better car setup as well, its not solely the driver that launches the car.

"Driver mod" is ghey imo. but yeah, learning how to drive your car will result in beter times

IM THE FASTEST Lol

No your not

No your not

Yes I am

How do you figure that?

How do you figure that?

Because I said so lol


I have a turbo 2.2, so i just feel like i do lol

OH ok, You "FEEL" like you do thats better. Cant say ur the fastest without proof. Im the fastest.

OH ok, You "FEEL" like you do thats better. Cant say ur the fastest without proof. Im the fastest.

No im the fastest

Well that settles it. We can all go home.


/thread

Lol, have fun dude.

:lol:

Lol, have fun dude.

I still don't know how you got into the 13's. It's not that I don't believe you, it's just hard to imagine.

And mariachi, get your ass to the track.

Running stock 8psi, I don't see you doing better than mid 14's but I'd like to be proven wrong...get low 14's. :twothumbs

I still don't know how you got into the 13's. It's not that I don't believe you, it's just hard to imagine.

And mariachi, get your ass to the track.

Running stock 8psi, I don't see you doing better than mid 14's but I'd like to be proven wrong...get low 14's. :twothumbs





^^^^agree

I posted the video. I know how to drive, learn how to drive and these 2.2s arent that slow.