So here is how it started. I have a 2000 mustang GT full bolt ons and 100 shot of nitrous. I was driving and next thing you know there is a new cobalt ss turbo who wanted to race. Me off the bottle decided why the f*ck not. I thought it was going to be an easy stomp since off the bottle i run 12.8, and the old supercharged ss were junk... No offense. Basically the guy was like , we ran from 40-115 where i started to run from him from there. BUT HE WAS AT MY FENDER the entire race! Which really surprised me a lot. So here is why im here i want to know about these cars well becasue im looking for another project car. Maybe it can be this car . Whats the max power the internals can hold? What is the weakest link? Is it the rods, pistons, and is the crank forged? I searched and found nothing. For a stock engine in the mustang its 450 rwhp due to the rods giving out. How strong is the block? For a turbo swap is it as easy as changing the turbo and there is 400 rwhp? How much boost can the stock turbo push? How much horse power can the stock turbo produce. Thanks for all the help.

 

From my basic knowledge, the internals are forged, I am unsure about pistons though. There are a few builds that are around 450 hp, but fueling issues are limiting us so far. Weakest link seems to be the gearbox at this point in time. The block... I think GM has a few builds running well over 500 hp (correct me if I am wrong). Stock turbo can handle about 24-25 psi, but the engine goes into limp mode right around 23psi, until we can tune around that. Stock turbo... you owuld be looking at a very max of 350 hp.

Hope thats all correct. If anyone knows different, please prove me wrong (keyword, prove, show some documentation or something).

 

Crank and rods are forged, pistons are cast. One fellow with a solstice gxp ran a 300shot and cracked the sleeves, a 200shot was working fine though.
The stock turbo can do around 25psi in the midrange but drops below 20psi near the redline.
A couple people with the gt3076 are approaching 400rwhp, but yes fueling is an issue at that power level, and no injectors to upgrade to for now.

 

300 shot?! Was he TRYING to blow the engine?

 

i traded my 2004 mustang gt for my cobalt. i think the balt is a better car. stock ss/tc's are putting down over 300 hp with just a tune.

 

uh huh. no offense huh?

really. i'll be more than happy to run ya with my junk supercharger car






to answer the question. 500whp+ on stock internals.

 

id like to see your car run the mustang, show hime how great the supercharged balts can be, 300+whp and no lag is ftw

 

Mine holds 21.5 psi as commanded all the way to 6800. I have almost 340 whp and almost no lag at all.

 

Welcome fellow GT owner! I have a 07 GT (S197) with the TR-3650. I just placed a factory order for a 09 SS/TC coupe a few weeks ago. If you haven't test driven a 08-09 SS/TC, go do it now. You may or may not like the ergonomics. I find that the SS/TC is more loaded than my 07 GT. The SS has Bluetooth, audio controls on the steering wheel, available USB port, available performance display, and a moonroof (something that Ford never put on the S197, glassback doesn't count).

You'll also find the 08-09 SS/TC will outhandle the 79-04 Fox Mustangs and the 05-up S197 Mustangs, and the SS will also outhandle a lot of other cars like the Lexus IS-F, Audi S5, Mazda MX-5, RX-8, Subaru STI, Lancer Evo, Charger/Challenger SRT-8, Lotus Elise SC, Solstice GXP, Sky Red Line, etc...

 

hmmmm 12.8 not bad.... that is what i am hoping to run with just my tune... i just need some ******* tires lol i have to post the vid i have of me punching it in 2nd at 30 and just holding 6k all the way til 60 lol no traction ftl

 

oh really ??? there are plenty of SS/SC's that will give your Mustang a run for it's money. 1994-2004 Mustang GT's are a joke unless you put some money into them to make them fast.

x2 !!!!

 

with 3000 +/- you can do mid 11's on the 08-09 ss/tc. my car went low 12.7s on just a tune. I did a PTE 5457rb dejon swap and did 410whp on low boost. stock clutch!!!!!! the car is a monster!!!!! nothing like 70mph burn outs down the freeway!

 

oh really ??? there are plenty of SS/SC's that will give your Mustang a run for it's money. 1994-2004 Mustang GT's are a joke unless you put some money into them to make them fast.


I am VERY sure that the same can be said for SS/SC cars as well. How much money do you have to put into a SS/SC car to make it run 12's?

Quite a bit I would imagine......

 

look up hatrickstu.

ran a 12.8

had hardly any mods at the time.

its possible man

 

Actually not that much .... with the right mods & tune it can be done for little $. If Balt SS's had traction they would run a lot quicker than what they do. Rear wheel drive is a nice advantage over a 2900lb front wheel drive car with similar wheel horsepower. You are also right .... there are a lot of fast mustangs out there as well, but it's pretty impressive when a little 2.0 4-banger eats up a big V8 !!

very true !!! he is still on the stock M62 and it isnt even ported. He is also only running a 2.85 pulley .... he still has a lot of leg room to make his car much faster !!

 

Mustangs make me

 

Ss sc's rn't junk.

 

The Cobalts don't sound as nice as the S197 GT's, but the SS/TC is still fun to drive.

 

From what I hear and others have said, the engines in these are already forged for the most part. The question you need to be asking is:

how much can the tranny hold.

 

not forged internals. hypereutectic pistons.

 

X2. on the pistons. Why everthing else is forged except the pistons I dont know. I would love a set of Weisco forged pistons (when they come out) in a slightly higher than stock compression ratio.

 

Most likely

Whats your airflow at that rpm/psi?

 

This guy is running 12.8 in a bolt on 04 GT, that is very good with that car. And I'm sure on the bottle he will eat any SS/SC alive, same as if he dropped a S/C or turbo in it, but I'm sure we all know that. The fastest stock SS/SC went what, 14.0-14.1, the fastest 99-04 GT went 13.7. Stock for stock the GT is faster given equal drivers, but both cars need alittle bit of money and work to be worth anything.

As I traded my 01 GT in for my SS/TC, but I still have my 05 GT if I wanna be loud and go RWD.

You'll love being able to switch between the GT and SS/TC, I know I do. Only thing that sucks is that the clutches are totally different.

 

I was under the impression the SS/SC sucked... I guess i was wrong. I have raced several SS/SC with stage 2 whatever and they didnt run as well as the SS/TC. Im not going to lie i was VERY VERY impressed that the new cobalt really kept up. Im still amazed! I got my impression from my encounters not looking what others have done for the supercharged version. What impresses me is that these cars are running so well with such little money. Some of you guys are knocking on 400 rwhp! Thats crazy, im not there with the nitrous! So fuel is the issue? Im glad the engine is tough enough. And for the guy with a 300 shot of nitrous... holy crap. I need a roll racing monster and i think im going to test drive one. I heard they will stop making SS versions so i better hurry and drive one. My GT runs 11.8 in the 1/4 with nitrous on last time i went, and im going to add cams and a new stall converter this summer so expect those times to significantly drop! Well how much can the tranny hold? What about the axles, how much power can they hold? Thanks for all the replys!

 

My Stage 2+ SS/SC runs just as good if not a little better than a stock SS/TC. Don't talk down on all Stage 2 SS/SC's