alright so i got the chance to make a couple of runs in my 05 SS with no mods. ill give you guys the best times. this was only a 1000 foot track and this particular run was only timed to the 1/8 mile. however it was a damn good run, and i beat a modded eclipse because of my hole shot which made it all the sweeter.

eclipse------------------------me
.9118--------reaction-------.6750
2.3192------60 foot--------2.2991
6.1414------330 foot------6.2870
9.3434------1/8 ET--------9.5233
76.96-------1/8 MPH------76.44
----------------------------WINNER

this was in humid 75 degree weather and it was just freaking awesome to beat this guy because his friends were there with a laptop and what not tuning it and this was my first time drag racing, and got the win lights, sweet... i will be tying to upload the vids

i dont know too much about drag racing, but by the looks of it, the eclipse won the race... you just had a better reaction time and a better 60 foot.. how does that win?

i dont know too much about drag racing, but by the looks of it, the eclipse won the race... you just had a better reaction time and a better 60 foot.. how does that win?


Lets look at the numbers:
0.9118 R/T
- 0.6750

= 0.2368 seconds advantage for the SS off the start (thats how long the other guy is sitting there before he goes---so the SS is already ahead)

2.3192 60 ft
2.2991

= 0.0201 seconds advatage for the SS

add those numbers up:

0.2368+ 0.0201= 0.2569

Now subtract the two times they ran
9.3434------1/8 ET--------9.5233 = 0.1799

Lastly(whew!) 0.2569-0.1799= 0.077 seconds that is the DIFFERENCE in time that the two cars were apart when they crossed the line.


Basically in simple terms: The Cobalt won due its superior reaction times and to a less extent the 60ft times. The Eclipse was chasing him all the way down the track. Now if the Eclipse were a tiny bit faster hw would have caught and passed him.


Now thats what I call a RACE! You have some real talent with that car hatrickstu!!

I knew the car was capable of good 60ft times but thats the trick isn't it?

Now go to a 1/4 mile track!

Lets look at the numbers:
0.9118 R/T
- 0.6750

= 0.2368 seconds advantage for the SS off the start (thats how long the other guy is sitting there before he goes---so the SS is already ahead)

2.3192 60 ft
2.2991

= 0.0201 seconds advatage for the SS

add those numbers up:

0.2368+ 0.0201= 0.2569

Now subtract the two times they ran
9.3434------1/8 ET--------9.5233 = 0.1799

Lastly(whew!) 0.2569-0.1799= 0.077 seconds that is the DIFFERENCE in time that the two cars were apart when they crossed the line.


Basically in simple terms: The Cobalt won due its superior reaction times and to a less extent the 60ft times. The Eclipse was chasing him all the way down the track. Now if the Eclipse were a tiny bit faster hw would have caught and passed him.


Now thats what I call a RACE! You have some real talent with that car hatrickstu!!

I knew the car was capable of good 60ft times but thats the trick isn't it?

Now go to a 1/4 mile track!

Very Good job in explaining that!!!

all that math was for nothing....look at the E/T....the eclipse beat him by 2 tenths of a second.....although it was a great run for a stock SS/SC. I'm not hating since i got an SS/SC too.....but the eclipse still beat him.....

whoever crosses the finish line first, wins. therefore, the ss won because it crossed first. if the guy in the eclipse had a better reaction time, he would have won. but he didn't.

all that math was for nothing....look at the E/T....the eclipse beat him by 2 tenths of a second.....although it was a great run for a stock SS/SC. I'm not hating since i got an SS/SC too.....but the eclipse still beat him.....

No----the SS won. The Eclipse is faster but lost due to sleeping at the line

Moved to Drag Racing!

I ran at Centerville last night.. is that the track ur talkin about?

but, u guys are wrong.. the one with the faster time wins.. who cares who crossed quicker.. reaction time has nothing to do with your time, the clock starts AFTER you cross the starting line.. i race at that track every now and then and that's how they do things in the races, just like everywhere else.. except the street.. i ran my car last night, but i wont reveal my times :) hahaha

but, u guys are wrong.. the one with the faster time wins.. who cares who crossed quicker.. reaction time has nothing to do with your time, the clock starts AFTER you cross the starting line.. i race at that track every now and then and that's how they do things in the races, just like everywhere else.. except the street.. i ran my car last night, but i wont reveal my times :) hahaha

whatever noob :-D

but, u guys are wrong.. the one with the faster time wins.. who cares who crossed quicker.. reaction time has nothing to do with your time, the clock starts AFTER you cross the starting line.. i race at that track every now and then and that's how they do things in the races, just like everywhere else.. except the street.. i ran my car last night, but i wont reveal my times :) hahaha



y not show us ur slip.....

but, u guys are wrong.. the one with the faster time wins.. who cares who crossed quicker.. reaction time has nothing to do with your time, the clock starts AFTER you cross the starting line.. i race at that track every now and then and that's how they do things in the races, just like everywhere else.. except the street.. i ran my car last night, but i wont reveal my times :) hahaha


Yes the Eclipse is faster car but in this race he lost the race for all the reasons I explained. The Coblat beat him to the finsih. Clock starts when you break the beam with the front tires.

but it didnt start for the eclipse.. therefore, in bracket racing and all other division racing out there, it would be classified as a win for the eclipse.. who wants to see my time slip?

i'm not saying you're wrong, he did beat the eclipse to the end.. which would yield a win in Test-N-Tune on most occasions.. i'm just letting him know, in case he joins the import class or bracket racing one day :)

next person to ask for my time slip, will get it posted up.. if u want, i can scan it tomorrow and have the pic of the actual slip posted up.. just ask one more time and you'll get the numbers ;)

fine, show us. i double-dog dare you.

you're probably spraying......nawz is cheating anyway, so it doesnt count.

where are you at in arkansas? maybe we could meet up and run someday? just for fun at the track. i dont street race. i know of a few guys with some nice cars around here, maybe we could get a cruise going sometime....

i dont get it ... if it was a race against numbers, why even bother lining up just two cars at a track ... why not build a 4 lane track and let people go when they want ... they line people up to race not enter an exam for a math class ... then there is this whole thing about so you beat THAT car oh well if the driver was better blah blah blah ... bottom line to the race or any that are done with two cars lined up is that its a race against two drivers and their cars and thats where it ends ... first one to the finish wins ... its both a race against the cars and the skill of the drivers on the line ... you sleep you lose ... calculating a win using mathematical terms is just like mag racing (retarded) ... put up or shut up as the old saying goes ... props for the win man and future luck to yah

thanks onimirage

well you guys.. here's my time slip... no nitrous, no dr's, no burnout.. :)

.7324 - Reaction
2.026 - 60 ft
5.69 - 330 ft
8.72 - 1/8 et
82.31 - 1/8 mph
11.15 - 1000 et
93.32 - 1000 mph

i'm not saying you're wrong, he did beat the eclipse to the end.. which would yield a win in Test-N-Tune on most occasions.. i'm just letting him know, in case he joins the import class or bracket racing one day :)

No, if that was a bracket race the Cobalt would have won by even a bigger margin. The cobat would be dialed in with a slower time and thus leave the line even faster then the eclipse.

well you guys.. here's my time slip... no nitrous, no dr's, no burnout.. :)

.7324 - Reaction
2.026 - 60 ft
5.69 - 330 ft
8.72 - 1/8 et
82.31 - 1/8 mph
11.15 - 1000 et
93.32 - 1000 mph


Your track stops at 1000? That is bizarre. What would this translate to in 1/4 mile?

that was about a 13.4-5 run.. halfass traction :) haha

well you guys.. here's my time slip... no nitrous, no dr's, no burnout.. :)

.7324 - Reaction
2.026 - 60 ft
5.69 - 330 ft
8.72 - 1/8 et
82.31 - 1/8 mph
11.15 - 1000 et
93.32 - 1000 mph

I thought you said you were going to SCAN your time slip. Not post it. :rolleyes:

I thought you said you were going to SCAN your time slip. Not post it. :rolleyes:
anyway man, c'mon....SCAN it!

anybody can make up good numbers. let's see some proof. i call BS, the only chevy pulling an 11.15 in the 1000ft is an LS1 or better. MAYBE an LT1 with some decent bolt-on mods no SS/SC is running that. i havent seen one even break into the 11's at that track yet.

and BTW, i go to the same track. its a 1000ft track with an 1/8th mark off. test n tunes are usually the whole 1000ft. its not a huge track but its all we got around here. 1/4 times are a "guesstimated" 2-2.5 seconds more than the 100ft time, but its all speculation. only way to really prove it is by hitting a 1/4 track.

i'll scan the time slip as soon as i can.. i'll try to get ahold of a scanner, i dont have one tho :(

I call BS on YOU helty!.. u total bastard.. u couldnt drive a car to save ur own life..

avro I dont think you can factor in 60' times to calculate who won the race. The 60' time falls in with his overall ET and wont give him a mathematical advantage. Based on my math, which I am pretty sure is the correct way to break this down, the SS still wins but only by a margin of .0569 seconds and not the .077 you came up with, with the difference being the .0201 you calculated in the 60' times. For the Eclipse to win with the same ET he woulda needed to cut a .8548 light or better.
Know what Im sayin?

And jason, you seem to lack knowledge of how bracket racing really works. It doesnt matter who has the faster car, and you cant say the Eclipse would have won in bracket racing because you dont know what his dial in would be nor do you know the dial in of the SS. Bracket racing is about good reaction times, good 60's, and getting as close to your ET without going quicker while crossing the finish line first doing so.

And omniMirage, you sounded atleast half retarded, if not more, with that response. In the name of not making an idiot out of yourself, please refrain from posting such useless garbage :rolleyes:

avro I dont think you can factor in 60' times to calculate who won the race. The 60' time falls in with his overall ET and wont give him a mathematical advantage. Based on my math, which I am pretty sure is the correct way to break this down, the SS still wins but only by a margin of .0569 seconds and not the .077 you came up with, with the difference being the .0201 you calculated in the 60' times. For the Eclipse to win with the same ET he woulda needed to cut a .8548 light or better.
Know what Im sayin?

And jason, you seem to lack knowledge of how bracket racing really works. It doesnt matter who has the faster car, and you cant say the Eclipse would have won in bracket racing because you dont know what his dial in would be nor do you know the dial in of the SS. Bracket racing is about good reaction times, good 60's, and getting as close to your ET without going quicker while crossing the finish line first doing so.

And omniMirage, you sounded atleast half retarded, if not more, with that response. In the name of not making an idiot out of yourself, please refrain from posting such useless garbage :rolleyes:

well, in bracket racing.. the lights are adjusted for the dial-in and whoever has the quicker one goes last.. but if they dont catch up or they run dead even in the end with the other person, they dont know the other one out.. so, if the slower car still makes it across the line faster, then they dont get knocked out but dont necessarily "win".. not tryin to call bs on u or start anything, that's just how they do it at centerville.. but they may do it differently here, it is Arkansas after all :lol:

And omniMirage, you sounded atleast half retarded, if not more, with that response. In the name of not making an idiot out of yourself, please refrain from posting such useless garbage :rolleyes:
so your saying that if I line up next to some dude with a quarter mile stretch of road beat him off the line and win that I am retarded for thinking that I won? ... exactly why I said calculating a win using math is just like mag racing takes the whole fun outa racing against someone ... lets all go into our rooms, attics or basements turn out the lights capture some race data and see who wins each time using math calculations then ask our mothers to make us all juice while we discuss the phases of the moon in relation to ocean currents and weather forecasts.

I understand that the information on the slips is very important to find out how quickly you react, get outa the trap, get down the strip and so forth but this dude that created the thread simply wanted to post his racing results to hopefully gain some encouragement from the community and all anyone wants to do is show him how he almost won or didn't win ... I in return voiced an opinion on how I felt gave the dude his kudos and now I am retarded and should refrain from posting anything in the future?

I give this winner of the race 2 cool smilies :cool: :cool: 2 very happy smilies :-D :-D and one cobaltss.net :cssNET:

bottom line, future success to you all be it through mag racing, math racing, drag racing ...blah blah blah cus at the end of the day as long as you feel good about your experience nothing else matters keep those numbers and wins coming

:lol:

avro I dont think you can factor in 60' times to calculate who won the race. The 60' time falls in with his overall ET and wont give him a mathematical advantage. Based on my math, which I am pretty sure is the correct way to break this down, the SS still wins but only by a margin of .0569 seconds and not the .077 you came up with, with the difference being the .0201 you calculated in the 60' times. For the Eclipse to win with the same ET he woulda needed to cut a .8548 light or better.
Know what Im sayin?

And jason, you seem to lack knowledge of how bracket racing really works. It doesnt matter who has the faster car, and you cant say the Eclipse would have won in bracket racing because you dont know what his dial in would be nor do you know the dial in of the SS. Bracket racing is about good reaction times, good 60's, and getting as close to your ET without going quicker while crossing the finish line first doing so.

And omniMirage, you sounded atleast half retarded, if not more, with that response. In the name of not making an idiot out of yourself, please refrain from posting such useless garbage :rolleyes:

dude omnimirage was mocking the guys saying that i didnt really win because his ET was faster, he was stating the truth in saying that i crossed the finish line first, that was his point, numbers dont mean shit in head to head racing, its who breaks the beam first

dude omnimirage was mocking the guys saying that i didnt really win because his ET was faster, he was stating the truth in saying that i crossed the finish line first, that was his point, numbers dont mean shit in head to head racing, its who breaks the beam first
:bow: :bow: :bow:

as a fellow black ss owner i got your back omni

Some of you are impossible :rolleyes:
I know what he was talking about and I know he was backing you. The fact that hes bashing someone because he used cold hard data to prove something makes him lame. Yes a win is a win, but next time he might not be so lucky and hopefully he'll atleast know why, other than "oh shit I need more parts to make my car faster", and maybe even it can make him a better bracket racer if he chooses to pursue that route some time. Using math never hurt anything in drag racing, its a big part of it when youre racing at a strip with computers timing you, especially in bracket racing where numbers are everything.
I guess some of us just have less of a street racer attitude :lol:

Some of you are impossible :rolleyes:
I know what he was talking about and I know he was backing you. The fact that hes bashing someone because he used cold hard data to prove something makes him lame. Yes a win is a win, but next time he might not be so lucky and hopefully he'll atleast know why, other than "oh shit I need more parts to make my car faster", and maybe even it can make him a better bracket racer if he chooses to pursue that route some time. Using math never hurt anything in drag racing, its a big part of it when youre racing at a strip with computers timing you, especially in bracket racing where numbers are everything.
I guess some of us just have less of a street racer attitude :lol:
well I will retract my mention of mag or math racing as retarded because I do agree that it does serve a purpose if you want to get down to each portion of the race to determine this or that but look at the time of my post lol I was half awake when I wrote it :lol:

Half awake shmaf awake :lol: Its ok I understand. As long as you see and understand the importance of numbers in officially times drag racing ;)
Just goes to show that posting while drunk or tired (or even worse a combo of the two!! :lol: ) can get you in trouble sometimes :lol:

Half awake shmaf awake :lol: Its ok I understand. As long as you see and understand the importance of numbers in officially times drag racing ;)
Just goes to show that posting while drunk or tired (or even worse a combo of the two!! :lol: ) can get you in trouble sometimes :lol:
yes tis no excuse for me but you ever get that falling asleep at the keyboard feeling? this wasn't the same night but a few days ago I awoke to the hum of my computer and my face on my desk ... man its late AGAIN ... sigh

{sprite commercial} "So what did you win???" Hahaha

Most people could care less about their reaction time at the track, unless they are actually competing. Probably the case with the eclipse cutting a .9 light, he was only worried about how fast he ran. ;)

{sprite commercial} "So what did you win???" Hahaha

Most people could care less about their reaction time at the track, unless they are actually competing. Probably the case with the eclipse cutting a .9 light, he was only worried about how fast he ran. ;)

yeah because you were there and all.... but im sure you know exactly what happened

whoever crosses the finish line first, wins. therefore, the ss won because it crossed first. if the guy in the eclipse had a better reaction time, he would have won. but he didn't.

I still dont get how the SS won if he crossed the finish .2 sec. behind the eclipse.

I still dont get how the SS won if he crossed the finish .2 sec. behind the eclipse.

wow... ok. let me see if i can explain it in a much less (even though it already isnt) technical way. Ok I left the starting line first, he left quite a bit later as far as reaction times are concerned. therefore i had a theoretical "head start" because i cut a better light. even though the eclipse ran faster from start line to finish line because of the fact that i left before he did, i crossed the finish line first. thus, i win

i see. you won the race but his car technically is faster, he just sucks at reacting and the clock for him didnt start til he moved.

I believe the saying goes...."you snooze you loose" ? as an experienced bracket racer i know all too well that races get won or lost on a hole shot...a win is a win from beam to beam regardless of what your opponent ran.. same concept from street light to street light think both cars leave at exactly the same time....not very likely...master the line launch and you will win tons of races...unless your really quick and love to play catch-up... :twothumbs

i'll scan the time slip as soon as i can.. i'll try to get ahold of a scanner, i dont have one tho :(

I call BS on YOU helty!.. u total bastard.. u couldnt drive a car to save ur own life..

Soooo...when are you going to scan your time slip?

Soooo...when are you going to scan your time slip?

he isnt lying im going to the track this weekend with him, he hasnt had a chance to scan yet

..........................

yeah because you were there and all.... but im sure you know exactly what happened
That is why I said probably. Did I say FOR SURE the dude slept at the line trying to practice his launches not caring about reaction time??? Nope!

So what did you win?? NOTHING!! Even more of an example he didn't care about his reaction time. If he cared about beating you he PROBABLY wouldn't have slept the line.

Soooo...when are you going to scan your time slip?

Sorry about taking so long on it, i dont have a scanner at the house :(

But i'll be scanning it this afternoon and postin it up for you guys :)

here you go.. doubt me now.. i'm in the left column (WINNER'S COLUMN), car # 9041.. sorry if you dont believe me, but time slips do talk..

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b202/helty/time-slip.jpg

:guns: :#one:

^^^damn man, those are some pretty impressive times for a bolt-on GT. 1/4 mile times are usually 2.0-2.5 seconds more (on average, from what i've seen) than the 1000ft times at centerville. LS1's out there are running 10.9-11.3s out there, so you're up there with the almighty's now. so at the most you're looking at a 13.6 1/4, or lower. hope you can get that thing to a 1/4 track sometime with some DR's. sorry i doubted you. :bow:

Yeah so i just got done cruising around jasonh_86. my advice dont call BS anymore. Very very nice mustang, and is extremely quick from a dig, and surprisingly fast from a roll. We raced twice from a roll, once from 40-100 he won by about a door. the other was from 20-90 and he won by about a car and a half. muuuuuuuch quicker than a stock GT. anyways yall give him some props for having a bad ass car and not being a douche because of the different kinds of cars we drive.

Yeah so i just got done cruising around jasonh_86. my advice dont call BS anymore. Very very nice mustang, and is extremely quick from a dig, and surprisingly fast from a roll. We raced twice from a roll, once from 40-100 he won by about a door. the other was from 20-90 and he won by about a car and a half. muuuuuuuch quicker than a stock GT. anyways yall give him some props for having a bad ass car and not being a douche because of the different kinds of cars we drive.


Thanks for the compliments man! Good races.. I gotta give your car props tho, it was damn quick.. you know how to drive the dang thing too.. a LOT better than most import driver's i know. Maybe I can get some traction at the track tomorrow so my back end wont slide around like it did tonight..

Had fun kickin' it man. Gotta do it again sometime. :cool: