Anyone other than Tiller have a 2.4 SS?

Im curious as to the overall review..

I have had one for about a week now. It is faster than my 86 IROC and it is pretty stiff riding which I like. But i am dissapointed in the amount of body lean, and the tires should be summer tires as apposed to the all seasons it has. I have gotten them to squeal quite easily. But the car has remained composed, and I am impressed by this car in that respect. However, the steering ratio is also way too slow. There is more feedback though than i thought there would be with the electric steering. More than with my Camaro anyway. It is fun to drive overall.
It feels strong above 4,000, but it is a 4 cylinder below that. It has been really hot since i have gotten the car, so maybe that slows the car down a bit. The car is just so smooth that speed is not overlly apparant. The car is also so quite it is hard to tell how fast you are going, but the exhaust note that is there is cool. If I could have afforded it, I think the extra money for the SC would be worth it. It is stiffer still, which I think it needs to be, and the steering is slightly quicker i think, it has stickier tires, and most importantly, it is faster.
Overall I think it is an impressive car for the money. My friends seem to like it. If you are used to other sport compacts, I think this would be a step up from almost any. But if you are looking for a really engaging drive that you would find from a 3rd gen camaro or a vette. This is probably not the car you want. What it is, is fun and practical transportation. It is a reasonable way to commute, but still allows for some fun.

Any pictures?

Any pictures?

The guy was nice enough to give you a thorough review of his car and was honest about it and all you can reply is "Any pics?" instead of thanking him. Where has the respect gone on these forums man? ;)

nice...the exhaust note on it is one of my favorite features on it.
I tried to get the tires to squel in the auto 2.4 i test drove, it couldnt do it for the life of me. the auto didnt feel very responsive and controled. i dont know, just felt a little off, not what i'm used to.

Dude: if you want the auto to squeal the tires, just hit the gas from a stop. I can make them scream half way through a suburbian intersection.

I edit my previous comment - to do that, you gotta brake torque it... however, without break torquing it will still squeal them for the first 5mph. It's a fun little tranny in my opinion - definitely set up for fuel economy at speed (3rd and 4th) but able to take advantage of it's high torque in the low powerband in 1st and 2nd gear.

My wifes old car was a 97 4 door sunfire with the 2.4L Twincam (150hp) and automatic trans w/3.91s. Had no problem laying a patch WITHOUT brake torquing. And this is at 3300ft elevation too.

Dude: if you want the auto to squeal the tires, just hit the gas from a stop. I can make them scream half way through a suburbian intersection.

I edit my previous comment - to do that, you gotta brake torque it... however, without break torquing it will still squeal them for the first 5mph. It's a fun little tranny in my opinion - definitely set up for fuel economy at speed (3rd and 4th) but able to take advantage of it's high torque in the low powerband in 1st and 2nd gear.
brake torqing a fwd vehicle?! sorry when i think of break torq i think of an old muscle car where you hit the brake pedle and gas ...you mean just pulling up on the e brake? I wanted it to go, not just sit there and roast them. There was no whay i was going to put a test car through that when i had no intentions of buying it.
in a few years i will out right pay in full for a maunal version, probably... unless somehting better comes around. ;)

Heh, it's hard to TEST a car when the dealer is sitting right there with you... I used to be able to test drive cars in Traverse City, MI without them but now even their insurance companies require accompaniment on test drives.

Heh, it's hard to TEST a car when the dealer is sitting right there with you... I used to be able to test drive cars in Traverse City, MI without them but now even their insurance companies require accompaniment on test drives.
nope my mom was sitting right next to me.
I mashed the gas peddle from a stop and the wheels wouldnt quel at all, i'm telling you.
I tried to test the car by myself and obviously the dealer, but it wasnt allowed. it was stupid, i walked into the showroom and asked the first sales person i saw how old you have to be to test drive a car. he said what car i said the new 2.4 ss. he said ok, let me see if i got one. he did, i saw it on the way in... anyway he finaly understands what a 2.4 ss is and finds the keys which alone took 15 minuts. then he askes for a copy of my license,and he says "how old did you say you were?' i said 18. then he says oh you have to be 21 to test drive cars here, its our insurance policy. i was like wtf, that was the first thing i asked when i steped foot in here! it wasnt all lost though, he let me stay with the car running alone wiht some of my friends. either way he could have saved himself 20 f ing minuts if he just answered my question.
i thought you had to be 18 to drive with dealer... and half the places here dont allow under 21.

brake torqing a fwd vehicle?! sorry when i think of break torq i think of an old muscle car where you hit the brake pedle and gas ...you mean just pulling up on the e brake? I wanted it to go, not just sit there and roast them. There was no whay i was going to put a test car through that when i had no intentions of buying it.
in a few years i will out right pay in full for a maunal version, probably... unless somehting better comes around. ;)

When referring to break torqing a FWD auto what he meant was fully press the brake and give it gas and then let of the brake. The engine will be revved up a little bit and should spin the tires. When talking about a RWD car I usually hear people call it a 'brake stand'

Wouldnt this f up your car because most of the weight is on the front wheels? I know people who yank the e brake to hold the car back to roast them, but not hit both pedles at the same time.

Nahh it wont hurt it if it's done for a short period (it will cause the tranny/brake fluid to heat up after a while). I guess you could call it a poor mans stall converter b/c on FWD auto it just allows you to 'launch' from a higher RPM.

1.) Test drive cars on this side of the river Stlurban; Jerseyvile has an SS/SC
2.) Dont do breakstands/torques whatever you want to call them. They are retarded.

nice...the exhaust note on it is one of my favorite features on it.
I tried to get the tires to squel in the auto 2.4 i test drove, it couldnt do it for the life of me. the auto didnt feel very responsive and controled. i dont know, just felt a little off, not what i'm used to.

Well don't forget the auto has all-speed traction control so it's possible that it cut in - I also noticed when my car was brand new the gas pedal wasn't as responsive as it is now. Maybe that had something to do with it?

All I know is there's definately enough power there to lay a strip.

Ardskoay: That's a good review. I notice as well that once it hits above 3500 it takes off like a rocket. Also, since i've gotten the car it's always been like 30 Celsius everywhere I drive, so i'm thinking I may be experiencing the wonder of degraded performance due to heat like you.

Maybe i'll review it for you guys in the fall


HEY 100TH POST WOO HOO :D :nuts:

The traction control is disabled in "L". Pop that sucker in low and make her sing! :nuts:

my dealer has a few of em i should get off my azz an go try one out

The traction control is disabled in "L". Pop that sucker in low and make her sing! :nuts:
what is the gear right above L? I'm talking about the "I",. what the f does it stand for,... intellidrive? what does it do?

what is the gear right above L? I'm talking about the "I",. what the f does it stand for,... intellidrive? what does it do?
it's a pretty vague description, but here's what the owners manual has to say about it:

AUTOMATIC OVERDRIVE (D): This position is for normal driving with the automatic transaxle. If you need more power for passing, and you are:

• Going less than about 35 mph (55 km/h), push your accelerator pedal about halfway down.

• Going about 35 mph (55 km/h), push your accelerator all the way down.

INTERMEDIATE (I): This position is also used for normal driving. However, it offers braking from the engine for slight downgrades where the vehicle would otherwise accelerate due to steepness of grade. If repetitive shifts occur between third and fourth gears on steep uphills, this position can be used to prevent repetitive shifting. Fuel economy will be lower than AUTOMATIC OVERDRIVE (D). Here are some times you might choose INTERMEDIATE (I) instead of AUTOMATIC OVERDRIVE (D):

• When driving on hilly, winding roads.

• When towing a trailer, so there is less shifting between gears.

LOW (L): This position gives you even more power but lower fuel economy than INTERMEDIATE (I). You can use it on very steep hills, or in deep snow or mud. If the shift lever is put in LOW (L), the transaxle will not shift into LOW (L) until the vehicle is going slowly enough.

Translation: L = 1st and 2nd gear, but it's a very aggressive shift point into second so it's perfect for racing and playing with people.

I = 1st, 2nd, 3rd gear (leaves out O/D so it makes windy roads and high speed frolicking more fun)

D = all 4 gears.

As the dumbfucks at Sharp Chevrolet explained it to me when I asked them the same question: "L is for like climbing hills and stuff."

Never buy a car from Sharp Chevrolet. Ever.

ok... thanks guys!

Now that I have driven mine more, It does not seem that there is that big a difference between using regular or premium fuels. I can feel it just a little bit. Also driving in I is much more fun. I would not use it on the highway, but for backroads, it is a good time. I have gotten used to the car more and have found the limits to be surprisingly high, meaning very close to my IROC. I almost wish I could change the tires now for even more fun. But I am still dissapointed in the amount of body lean. It is just not that comforting of a feeling when driving fast.
Also, this does spin the tires pretty easily, and sometimes the traction control does not seem to care. Starting off uphill almost certainly makes the tires chirp. I have also gotten alot of positive comments on this car. People even love the orange. Also, it has been cooler lately, and I think the heat did effect the performance. Thats all for now.