We'll be all over this car, adding to it what we've already developed on the LNF engine in the Pontiac Solstice GXP and Sky Redline. Of course, our five years of Ecotec Turbo experience, coupled with over 30 years of four-cylinder turbo fun, can only further add to the effectiveness of our approach to this awesome new Cobalt!

Any of these that are in the Chicago region are invited to contact me for great deals on upgrades as part of our Beta program. If you have ORDERED one of these Turbo Cobalts, and would like to be considered for the program, please PM me.

If anyone has any general questions, ask away...

And if you'd like to get on our update email list, just email with 'Keep Me Informed: Cobalt' in your subject line to sales@turbosystem.com.

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reeeeeally reeeeeally want a turbo 'balt. lol I'd rather turbo my 2.4 tho...

I think right now most of us are interested in base numbers on the dyno and drag strip.

Most think it's on par with the SC Stage 2 but we'll see.

If you could get your SS/TC on the dyno and post up some numbers to go by we would be very happy indeed. :)

Is it possible for you guys / somebody else to make a Blow Off Valve for the 2.0 Turboed Ecotec?
The blow off valve would be (I think an atmospheric bov). So is it possible?

Is it possible for you guys / somebody else to make a Blow Off Valve for the 2.0 Turboed Ecotec?
The blow off valve would be (I think an atmospheric bov). So is it possible?

why the hell would you do that... to announce to the world AOMG I HAS TURBO RACE ME PSHPSHSPHSPSHPSHPSH :lol:

recirc valves FTW

I posted that to annoy the SS.NET members.... Lol.. shhhhh

Is it possible for you guys / somebody else to make a Blow Off Valve for the 2.0 Turboed Ecotec?
The blow off valve would be (I think an atmospheric bov). So is it possible?

It's not impossible, but based upon the engine management configuration, it's not readily feasible...at least not just yet. The new Bosch-based PCM's for the direct injection are very advanced and different from anything before, and they are not very tolerant of changes. As time goes on, and we get deeper into the programming of the PCM's, this may be an option. For now, we will stick with recirculating valves that, while not as raucous, are much more compatible with the PCM.

Thank-you for clarifying that fact! I appreciate it.

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I was unaware you could order one already. I'm gonna look into it, then I'll send you an e-mail about where you can take me with it. I'm gonna have to at least make it faster than my cobra to justify the monthly payments :lol:

Question for you bill. In your opinion. How hard is it to tune the D/I compared to regular conventional fuel injection on say the LSJ? What are the major hurtles of D/I?

The Caliber SRT4 guys have already broken the 400whp mark on the stock turbo. What do you think the max will be on the LNF's stock turbo? 300whp? 350whp?

Question for you bill. In your opinion. How hard is it to tune the D/I compared to regular conventional fuel injection on say the LSJ? What are the major hurtles of D/I?

The Caliber SRT4 guys have already broken the 400whp mark on the stock turbo. What do you think the max will be on the LNF's stock turbo? 300whp? 350whp?

The primary hurdle to cross with the direct injection is the new controller, which is produced by Bosch and uses unique programming methods and language which are new to the North American market. We are confident that we will have an effective tuning solution available soon along the lines of what we've achieved with the direct injected turbo engine in the Solstice and Sky.

With all due respect to what you are seeing in the Caliber SRT world, I find that number to be optimistic at best, exaggerated at worst...let's let the Inter-smoke-net clear a bit before drawing any broad conclusions on this car. :cool:

The LNF's turbo is good for 300-325 WHP. As you might imagine, we will be offering tasty upgrades to improve this!

The primary hurdle to cross with the direct injection is the new controller, which is produced by Bosch and uses unique programming methods and language which are new to the North American market. We are confident that we will have an effective tuning solution available soon along the lines of what we've achieved with the direct injected turbo engine in the Solstice and Sky.

With all due respect to what you are seeing in the Caliber SRT world, I find that number to be optimistic at best, exaggerated at worst...let's let the Inter-smoke-net clear a bit before drawing any broad conclusions on this car. :cool:

The LNF's turbo is good for 300-325 WHP. As you might imagine, we will be offering tasty upgrades to improve this!

yes i don't see 400+ whp on the stock CSRT4 turbo. its a mitsu TD04HL turbo (13g). im guessing like 330-340 whp is pushing it to its LIMITS....they are used as an upgrade on saabs and are common for just eclipsing the 300 mark.

/thread jack

yes i don't see 400+ whp on the stock CSRT4 turbo.

Might want to check out this thread then. Thanks for the great info bill

http://www.caliberforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5335

Might want to check out this thread then. Thanks for the great info bill

http://www.caliberforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5335


wow good find! i guess im forced to retract my pervious statement. i never saw a 13g able to put out those kind of numbers....:confused:

Im pretty sure that was with Nitrous

The only thing I really want to know is can this car in fact have bigger injectors? I hear all over the place that because of it being D/I there are no possible upgrades for the injectors(going to bigger ones). Is that true?

The only thing I really want to know is can this car in fact have bigger injectors? I hear all over the place that because of it being D/I there are no possible upgrades for the injectors(going to bigger ones). Is that true?

The only thing out right now is to get a set of custom ones made for $$$$$$$$$$$


Unless the cars that have D/I have bigger ones already (VW 2.0/Mazdaspeed 2.3) and can be swapped out...

The only thing out right now is to get a set of custom ones made for $$$$$$$$$$$


Unless the cars that have D/I have bigger ones already (VW 2.0/Mazdaspeed 2.3) and can be swapped out...
Yea....I would think there might be something cause GM has a stage 2 for the Solstice GXP that ups it to 290 hp.

Also, I heard a rumor of the Cobalt coming stock with 290. The HHR with 260. Anybody else hear this?

I am semi-considering the Turbo butI don't know if I can stray from the SS/SC. I love the whine.

Yea....I would think there might be something cause GM has a stage 2 for the Solstice GXP that ups it to 290 hp.
Also, I heard a rumor of the Cobalt coming stock with 290. The HHR with 260. Anybody else hear this?

I am semi-considering the Turbo butI don't know if I can stray from the SS/SC. I love the whine.

Do you have any websites or threads that say anything about this??? I am very curious... Thanks!

Im pretty sure that was with Nitrous

400whp run was with N20. 349 was all turbo.

Next question. What kind of fuel upgrades are you planning bill? Will you be offering a higher flowing pump and/or injectors?

What kind of boost numbers have the Sky/Solstice guys been running? Anyone popping there engines?

thats a 20g turbo,not a 13g turbo..its a s3 mopar turbo aka td05

400whp run was with N20. 349 was all turbo.

Next question. What kind of fuel upgrades are you planning bill? Will you be offering a higher flowing pump and/or injectors?

What kind of boost numbers have the Sky/Solstice guys been running? Anyone popping there engines?

well on the RLF there's a guy with a sky RL that put's down 275 WHP and 302 WTQ retuned for 23 psi. http://www.red.com/forums/sky-discussion/26782-23-pounds-boost-2.html
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post # 16 for dyno sheet's..

why the hell would you do that... to announce to the world AOMG I HAS TURBO RACE ME PSHPSHSPHSPSHPSHPSH :lol:

recirc valves FTW


:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

The only thing I really want to know is can this car in fact have bigger injectors? I hear all over the place that because of it being D/I there are no possible upgrades for the injectors(going to bigger ones). Is that true?


Don't quote me on this but i swear i remember seeing the idc% on the LNF's are extremely low from the factory.

thats a 20g turbo,not a 13g turbo..its a s3 mopar turbo aka td05

?? what??

?? what??

Caliber SRT4 comes with a 20G turbo. I think that's what he meant

I still can't figure out why they used a twin scroll turbo on the LNF? I've seen the LNF cut away in person, and the turbo is the size of nickel!!! :lol: Of course I'm exaggerating, but seriously its freakin tiny!!! Even if it wasn't a twin scroll it would still spool at like 2000! Seems like it would be much better to use a twin scroll 20G or something, that would be awesome!

Do you have any websites or threads that say anything about this??? I am very curious... Thanks!
There is a vid on youtube with a stage 2 Solstice GXP:
I am gonna have to try and find it because I don't remember the name of it. However, when I see it I will post it on here. As for the rumors, that was what was told to me by someone. Nowhere in writing so I don't know how true it is.

Do you have any websites or threads that say anything about this??? I am very curious... Thanks!
Found it. Here you go....enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfSrVQEUpLw

Thanks G85 SS. That's a good find... Now we just have to see what the outcome is.... :)

Im pretty sure that was with Nitrous
It would have to be...as a purveyor of Mitsu turbos for over 15 years, allow me to emphasize that a 13g cannot produce 400 WHP of airflow :)

The only thing I really want to know is can this car in fact have bigger injectors? I hear all over the place that because of it being D/I there are no possible upgrades for the injectors(going to bigger ones). Is that true?
It's true as of now. This may change in the future.

400whp run was with N20. 349 was all turbo.

Next question. What kind of fuel upgrades are you planning bill? Will you be offering a higher flowing pump and/or injectors?

What kind of boost numbers have the Sky/Solstice guys been running? Anyone popping there engines?

Even 349 WHP would be a stretch on a 13G. Not to just argue with y'all, but I feel compelled to remind everyone that this is still the Wild Wild Internet, where anything goes with info...fact-checking remains imperative :)

Our fuel upgrades are still in development, and I remain a tad tight-lipped for now...but we do currently offer the BSR PPC Tuner for the Sol and Sky folks, and will be transferring this technology to the SS and HHR ASAP.

No engine attrition yet, but our customers have indeed been achieving in the high 200's in WHP. Much more to come soon!

Hey Bill.

You might want to consider changing your screen name on here.

The term "EcoBoost" has just been trademarked by Ford for use in their upcoming turboed engine line.

Thought you might like to know LOL

With all the other BS Ford has been sueing people over recently... you never can be sure.

Hey Bill.

You might want to consider changing your screen name on here.

The term "EcoBoost" has just been trademarked by Ford for use in their upcoming turboed engine line.

Thought you might like to know LOL

With all the other BS Ford has been sueing people over recently... you never can be sure.
Yep, saw it. Oh well, looks like David won't beat Goliath this time! I'm working on something new.

the lnf runs 2100 lbs of fuel pressure.

show me an aftermarket injector that will hold that. then you will find an upgraded injector.

everything thus far is speculation in terms of real hp numbers, what it is capable of. hell half of the people in here have no idea what the lsj is capable of, and yet the "wild wild" internet is going off the deep end again with lnf numbers.

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whats so funny buster :D

Caliber SRT4 comes with a 20G turbo. I think that's what he meant

the caliber does not come with a 20g turbo though...yes the mopar stage 3 upgrade is close to a 20g if it isn't exactly but the csrt4's turbo isn't that big. its still a td04