I was bored today so i want to a local chevy dealership and test drove an SS/SC. I was NOT inpressed at all. It was alot more plush then my SRT-4, but it felt so slow compared to my car. Everyone is right that car needs a damn arm rest.

speed isnt everything...

i would take a enzo that goes 80 mph over almost anything because its looks so damn good

though we arnt talking about an enzo, speed isnt everything in a car you gotta consider looks, quality, reliability, etc.

Wow you're just begging to get flamed, aren't you? If you don't like the SS, that's fine. Stick with your SRT-4. But if you run in the 14's, your car isn't much faster than a stock SS/SC.

If i wanted looks i would have test drove A caddy

Wow you're just begging to get flamed, aren't you? If you don't like the SS, that's fine. Stick with your SRT-4. But if you run in the 14's, your car isn't much faster than a stock SS/SC.


And it's got 4 doors! YUCK!

... if you run in the 14's, your car isn't much faster than a stock SS/SC.
hey that was my line :nono: :lol:

Your car is faster. The fastest reported stock time was like a 14.4, and most people are running 14.6-14.8.

You gotta consider break-in periods, and most dealerships just fill them with 87, which the car compensates by taking out some timing. I haven't ridden in an SRT-4 yet, but I would imagine that it feels faster because when the turbo finally spools it sets you back real hard, unlike the linear power of the S/C.

You should go test drive a new SRT-4 and then compare.

Look i took the time to drive the car to see what it does and i told you what i felt about it. If i wanted to i can be an asshole about it but i am not.

Who here has drove in an srt-4?

If not go to a dodge dealership and act like you want to buy one and they will let you drive it.


Drive an srt-4 and then argue with me. I took the time to drive bolth cars before i had an opion i sugest that you do the same.

sorry dude you knew you would get flammed i mean come on if I went to an srt-4 forum and said I test drove an srt neon and it was slower than my evo so I didn't like it would they get upset? what would most of those owners do? they wouldn't say nice run man, thats for sure ... we already said your car is faster with its mods it does a good time

Who here has drove in an srt-4?

If not go to a dodge dealership and act like you want to buy one and they will let you drive it.


Drive an srt-4 and then argue with me. I took the time to drive bolth cars before i had an opion i sugest that you do the same.
already did oh here is a post where I make a few comments and I admit that it is faster car

http://www.cobaltss.net/forums/showthread.php?t=8963

i have test drove both and the srt-4 just wasnt as nice as a cobalt ss imo. as far as how it handles the cobalt wins in that aspect. its a 4 door and still looks like a neon and the ss looks pretty good. dont get me wrong its a decent car but the cobalt wins in my heart

sorry dude you knew you would get flammed i mean come on if I went to an srt-4 forum and said I test drove an srt neon and it was slower than my evo so I didn't like it would they get upset? what would most of those owners do? they wouldn't say nice run man, thats for sure ... we already said your car is faster with its mods it does a good time
I knew i was going to get flamed. I am just saying that i drove the cobalt before i opend my mouth. I joined this site to meet up with some cobalt guys and check out there cars, not to start shit.

alex47 , here is the big problem with driving the cobalt , its drive by wire , so throttle resonse to that ass dyno feeling , isnt there like it would be in your srt

how did you feel about the car other than the power feeling not being there ???

i almost test drove a srt tonight , lol but the 1 with the mopar parts on it wasnt in the lot , it was in a area that woulda took a hour to get out

not that im interested in buying 1 , but i would like to drive 1 atleast once before they are gone

i was actually there to try out the seats , im trying to find some i like

sorry if it's coming out wrong but we know your not starting stuff it's just hard for owners to read comments like that and sit still you would do the same and thats actually a good thing knowing you are proud of your car ... just expect some rib shots ... hey it's to be expected

alex47 , here is the big problem with driving the cobalt , its drive by wire , so throttle resonse to that ass dyno feeling , isnt there like it would be in your srt

how did you feel about the car other than the power feeling not being there ???

i almost test drove a srt tonight , lol but the 1 with the mopar parts on it wasnt in the lot , it was in a area that woulda took a hour to get out

not that im interested in buying 1 , but i would like to drive 1 atleast once before they are gone

i was actually there to try out the seats , im trying to find some i like

Becides the power The cobalt is an awsome car car. My whole reason for looking at the car was purly for performance. "the dealer even said that I was the first person that did not touch the radio"

sorry if it's coming out wrong but we know your not starting stuff it's just hard for owners to read comments like that and sit still you would do the same and thats actually a good thing knowing you are proud of your car ... just expect some rib shots ... hey it's to be expected
Ditto

My dad's friend just bought one, so maybe I'll get to see what it is like. I , like you, would like to see and feel the differences first hand.

"the dealer even said that I was the first person that did not touch the radio"
really? I didn't either for both cars in fact as I drove listening carefully to engine road and ambient noise the salesman on both occasions turned on the radio then I immediately turned it off

really? I didn't either for both cars in fact as I drove listening carefully to engine road and ambient noise the salesman on both occasions turned on the radio then I immediately turned it off
That's what I did when I test drove the GTO. Actually my Mom made the salesman turn it off, because she wanted to listen to the exhaust. :lol:

really? I didn't either for both cars in fact as I drove listening carefully to engine road and ambient noise the salesman on both occasions turned on the radio then I immediately turned it off
To me a good exhaust sounds better then the radio any day

This is the exhaust i am pivking up on saturday http://www.modernperformance.com/dcx/srt_mpx_idle.mpeg

cant we all just get along? :lol:

cant we all just get along? :lol:

not tell you admit its a neon


LOL :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


atleast you guys own domestics , and have a willingness to play nicely


as per marcs request , please regaurd my remarks in a playfull manor , and that im J/K (just kidding)

not tell you admit its a neon


LOL :lol::lol::lol::lol:


atleast you guys own domestics , and have a willingness to play nicely

Be nice :nono:

I have found that most Dealerships put 87 in their cars, and they have no clue to do otherwise, and there is a difference in power.

I knew i was going to get flamed. I am just saying that i drove the cobalt before i opend my mouth. I joined this site to meet up with some cobalt guys and check out there cars, not to start shit.

Your dumb buddy. Not a good way to make friends here. Were you expecting us to be like yeah your right , our cars arent impressive. Lets all go buy a Neon and shave .6 seconds off our time when we race, YES!

:twothumbs

Be nice :nono:
:) :twothumbs :)

Be nice :nono:
Giiiive me a break :thumbsdow Like this is a fuggin kindergarten class or something :rolleyes: The dude was being funny :lol: I guess power hungry mods dont get humor?? :redx:

yeah i was being funny , reason the laughing dudes are there


i would have expected something from the mod with the white rsx , he is a cool guy from what i can tell , and doesnt have the hate of the import vs domestic deal


we all buy what we want and like


and being on the internet you gotta learn to take the hate , jokes , and what ever else people want to say

as the old saying goes "fk'um if they cant take a joke , and joke'um if they cant take a fk " LOL


i might drive a crapalier , but atleast i can take a joke , and considering my cav runs 14.5's with 5-6 psi from my tiny m45 s/c and auto trans , i can obviously dish it back out also , muahahhahahahahhaaa

any way , enjoy the laughs , and loosen up

;););)

Actually, the goal here is to make this a friendly environment for everyone.

Perhaps you forgot the "j/k".

I would remember it next time so it's not misinterpreted.

Actually, the goal here is to make this a friendly environment for everyone..
Impossible. This is a Cobalt forum, not an SRT or any other car forum. Who cares what everyone else thinks? Might as well call it www.be-nice-to-everyone-no-matter-what-their-car-is.net
Communist moderation is no way to run a model specific forum :nono: If someone couldnt understand the humor and sarcasm behind that dudes comment, they shouldnt be driving in the first place :nono:

Who here has drove in an srt-4?

If not go to a dodge dealership and act like you want to buy one and they will let you drive it.


Drive an srt-4 and then argue with me. I took the time to drive bolth cars before i had an opion i sugest that you do the same.


I drove one ... 3rd gear is a beast ... but I didn’t buy my car to be marginally faster in a straight line(while still remaining a drivers race) , while compromising my comfort , handling , aesthetic standards, quality... basically every thing that makes a car you can live with and still have fun with ...I hope you 1/4 mile race everywhere but if not I guess your priorities were a bit off


But we could argue back and fourth all day of which one is better …were not going to change anyone’s mind …but look at it this way ..When we bought our SS’s we had the option to get the SRT 4 and we didn’t. I can see why srt owners always want to start a pissing match over straight line speed, because you didn’t have the option to get the overall package. We don't have to second guess our decision.


EDIT: P.S I absolutly love you put your excuse for your time in your sig ( boost leak) could you be more of a stereotypical NEON ...(I mean SRT 4) owner ...haha

Having driven both the ss s/c, and the srt, there are 2 things I dont like about the srt and one in the ss. As far as power goes I love them both. In the srt it's the front seats and the fact that the rear windows arent power. I dont have power windows in my LS, but come on, if you're going to put them in the front, why leave the back hangin'? And in the ss, it's that damn pesky lift up reverse lock on the shifter. They dont have them on the LS or LT's, why put it on the SS???

Actually, the goal here is to make this a friendly environment for everyone.

Perhaps you forgot the "j/k".

I would remember it next time so it's not misinterpreted.


i corrected my post


everyone else seamed to take it in a joking manor , oh well its the internet



sorry !! didnt mean to offend


:cssNET: :cssNET:

Flame thread.

SS/SC : Better looks, better interior, its a Chevy(better than Dodge), plenty of mods(current and upcoming), linear power and grab is much better and easier going. My OPINION, SS/SC!

SRT-4 : Friend drives one, got to drive his... begged to be back in my SS/SC. Like a post before this one... your working on engine power to get you up and going, and once the turbo spools, your off like a f*ckin dart. Too much throw back.

The SS/SC has a smooth, but very noticable power gain when the SC kicks in at lower 2nd gear, then throughout the remaining gears. The noise level between cars... I prefer the SRT-4 when it comes to that. My damn SS/SC rattles like theres no tommorrow. I even took it up to the dealership and got everything tightened. I love the sound of the SRT-4. When you put exhaust on that thing... it sounds awesome. So does ours... the SS/SC. I unfortunatly had to get a catback system earlier than expected. A nice peice of rebar fell of a truck in front of me, and ruined the exhaust pipes all the way back and creamed the cat. I dont think exhaust does to much for your car... yea, better flow and shit. But im not going to drop 700$ for pipes and a muffler. I got the OBX Racing catback for the SS/SC. It sounds perfect to me and everyone else that hears it. I will get the DYNO video up here soon, I just have to move it over to the PC.

Personally, the first post, the one about not liking the SS/SC should not have been started... thats just asking for a flaming thread. His opinion is his own. Everyone has their own opinions. If he likes his SRT-4 more than the SS/SC then so be it. Lol. I like my SS/SC more than the SRT-4. Its personal preference.

Just stop argueing and view it like that.

Its just one more SRT-4 owner that well have to put in his place!!! LMAO

Dave

I also test drove both basically on the same day so the differences we fresh in my mind. The srt-4 I drove first and the torque really impressed me. It pulled hard in all gears,very quick and the exausht sounded meen I like it alot. The SS does not have the torque lets face it most guy have dynoed on the sight are reporting about 190 lbs of trq where the srt-4 reports about 240lbs. And sents torque is basically what you are felling push you in the set the neon feels alot stronger. The 1/4 numbers are not much different between the 2 a few tenths I think, so the extreme torque difference give the illusion that the srt is alot faster. Anyway end the end I ordered a cobalt because I like It more. But we all here have different intrusts. Just respect each others opinions no one is telling anyone to chance just passionet about our cars. Keep it fast me and injoy the car.

I test drove an SRT4 and felt pretty much the same way about it. I realize there is a learning curve to every car. To say got the SS down pat on the first test drive is retarded. You do realize that many stock SS's are pulling 14.4 stock. Only .3 seconds behind your modded SRT4? Take your baseless opinion to SRT4 forum if you don't like getting flamed ALEX47!

I also test drove both basically on the same day so the differences we fresh in my mind. The srt-4 I drove first and the torque really impressed me. It pulled hard in all gears,very quick and the exausht sounded meen I like it alot. The SS does not have the torque lets face it most guy have dynoed on the sight are reporting about 190 lbs of trq where the srt-4 reports about 240lbs. And sents torque is basically what you are felling push you in the set the neon feels alot stronger. The 1/4 numbers are not much different between the 2 a few tenths I think, so the extreme torque difference give the illusion that the srt is alot faster. Anyway end the end I ordered a cobalt because I like It more. But we all here have different intrusts. Just respect each others opinions no one is telling anyone to chance just passionet about our cars. Keep it fast me and injoy the car.

Just out of curiosity...

Did they teach you spelling in school?

To be honest, my '98 GTP, no mods (other than a drop-in K&N), felt faster than my SS/SC. I was a little disappointed on the test drive as well. But no doubt, the SS/SC is quite a bit quicker, the numbers don't lie. It's all in how the power comes on. If your just looking to buy a car for pure straight-line performance as you stated in a previous post, then you've already got the right car for the job. Just compare the aftermarket between the two cars, it'll be a little while still before the Cobalt can catch up in that department.

Who here has drove in an srt-4?

If not go to a dodge dealership and act like you want to buy one and they will let you drive it.


Drive an srt-4 and then argue with me. I took the time to drive bolth cars before i had an opion i sugest that you do the same.

I have driven a few srt-4s and i find them to feel faster but so far races with srt4 have been SS-2 SRT-1

I drove the srt4 a couple times and had many problems with the interior, mainly the seats, leg room, shoulder room, elbowing the passenger, shift knob for a few.

I would hope people see that you're not trying to be an ass. But you have made some comments on other threads that make u sound like an ass.

I test drove an SRT4 and felt pretty much the same way about it. I realize there is a learning curve to every car. To say got the SS down pat on the first test drive is retarded. You do realize that many stock SS's are pulling 14.4 stock. Only .3 seconds behind your modded SRT4? Take your baseless opinion to SRT4 forum if you don't like getting flamed ALEX47!
you run a 14.7 so does that mean that u are less then stock?

cobaltss12, Thanks men you got the message didn't you

you run a 14.7 so does that mean that u are less then stock?


No, I have the non LSD. Most of the 14.4's you will see will be the G85 package. After having the car for 6 months I still have some launch issues with my one legger. The people that will flame me and say it does not make a difference just keep telling yourself that. A one legger may crack a 14.4 but not as consistently!!

Lol yea... i got it... lol... anyways... you think an moderator would come along and lock this thread... 'jepordy music playing in my head'

I have not driven a SRT-4 but I did test drive cars like a G35, S2000, BMW318i, BMW M3 older one, WRX, RSX-s, SRE spec V, RX8, Mazda 3 and 6, Mustang V6, IS 300 2004, Audi TT, Civic SI 2003, and misu rali-art.

I did an extensive testing over the past 3 years. I did get to sit into an SRT-4 when they first cam out and I did not like the seats. Hear is a few quick words on each car.

G35 -> Nice smooth ride, plush interior, Out of price range.
S2000 > 2 seats, fast but need to rev to potential, out of price range, nice car though
BMW 318i > auto, OK car, just was not for me.
M3 > older one so in price range but was not sure about maintenance cost and trans was not working well.
WRX> I liked this car looked at it for long time but did not want Subaru sound and look.
RSX-S> car was worn out but revs high. I just did not like it.
SRE spec v> I was not too impressed with this car. My Honda EX seemed to be just slightly slower then that.
RX8 > nice car. price was a little height and power was not really there. Low torque numbers. Gas coast was too high also.
Mustang V6 > nice looking car, small back seats, bad gas mileage, hurt my leg when I got out so no mustangs for me. Trunk too small also.

All the rest were nice cars but gust did not fit me. The cobalt was the only car that I really wanted to trade my Civic for. I am really happy with the decision also. I like the car a lot. It has vary good power. It corners vary good. Gas mileage is good. Seat comfort is really good. This was a plus since I drive 190 miles a day. The more and more that I looked at the Cobalt SS SC the more I wanted it. So I got it and have been happy with the decision ever since. If you like the SRT4 then did you also test other cars besides the cobalt like I did. I mean did you really do your home work or did you just look at the 2 cars????

I dont mean to jump into this, but if I may....
I test drove an 05 srt 4 a while back. it was the first turbo vehicle I test drove, so i shit my self as far as accleration, but it was a bumpy ride and steering was a little wack. i also had trouble feeling comfortable in the seat, i felt like i kept spilling out and the steering wheel was awkward.
this might help because i havent drove the sssc, but it may not help because of this. I guess it means I cant directly compare it to the sssc...
anyway, that video clip of that white srt, is that thing running on diesel? :lol: j/k, no seriously It sounds like a diesel truck. :thumbsdow I like the original tone better.

EDIT: P.S I absolutly love you put your excuse for your time in your sig ( boost leak) could you be more of a stereotypical NEON ...(I mean SRT 4) owner ...haha


What is your excuse? Non G85?

What is your excuse? Non G85?

ugh give it up :rolleyes: , we all have *different* reasons why we can't run different times. This is why this thread needs to be locked. At this point all your doing is causing more grief for yourself and others on the thread

Lock it! :lock:

What is your excuse? Non G85?

I don thave an excuse ...for all you know I could run a 14.4

allot of the 14.4's out there are non g85 cars


its evidant that your grasping at straws to maintain an argument ...its a little pathetic

OK Alex I got a post for you, I have an 87 Supra turbo that i spent around 6 grand on I would pass you soo fast in this car it would look like your standing still..... Wtf is your point man. I bought my coablt ss/sc because of a mixture of looks,performance, and handeling. You tell me you where looking for purely perfromance, are you one of those guys that thinks speed in a str8 line is all that matters??? If so you should of bought a mustang GT. Im sorry man but everywhere I go in my black cobalt SS/SC I get looks. The car looks absolutely dope with the recaro seats and such, its just a great car all around.

As for racing I rather have my cobalt SS/SC ANY DAY , car has way more potetional for a gear head. Anyone with know how can make a car drive faster in a str8 line " and I personally and know many others on here intends to ". Yet good luck trying to make your over hiped NEON shift, handle, and look as good as our cars.

I cant wait to see the look on your face if you ever try to pick up some girls in your car, theyd come up to you and say ..... nice neon ...... looks kinda like my grandma's and giggle and run away lol.

Who here has drove in an srt-4?

If not go to a dodge dealership and act like you want to buy one and they will let you drive it.


Drive an srt-4 and then argue with me. I took the time to drive bolth cars before i had an opion i sugest that you do the same.

I SUGGEST you go back to the fourth grade and learn how to spell, you dumbass. It's obvious you just joined this site to piss people off and brag about your SRT-4. Enjoy your own car and go join a Neon site, that's my OPINION.

I was around SRT4's, and Redlines before the SS. I like the seats in the SRT4 better they really hold you (me) in place, think the cobalt needs some larger bolsters or maybe suede inserts (even the Recaro's). The SRT4 being a 4 door, who cares? don't like it don't buy it but do you think a 2 door would be quicker?, would you pass on a WRX because of the number of doors?. The front end of the Redline looks mean, especially in black, and i don't mind the dash but looks to close to a normal Ion for my tastes. The SS is not perfect, there are faster cars but most are in a different price range. The SS, Redline, Civic Si, RSX typeS, even the SRT4 are all about the same money and will all run with eachother so not much point in arguing.

ugh give it up :rolleyes: , we all have *different* reasons why we can't run different times. This is why this thread needs to be locked. At this point all your doing is causing more grief for yourself and others on the thread

Lock it! :lock:
I also vote lock thread before people start getting in kicked off the forum

Please members im asking you, dont turn this into a srt/SS war...i had another thread im sure many of you read/ posted on titled "if i had to do it over again"...it was about the possibility of me switching to a cobalt....needless to say it escalted into a SRT/SS war and the last post i made was "do you guys think im a troll?"..and from about that point on a couple members said some contraversial things and then it ensued to a 2 1/2 page SRT vs. SS....all i said in this thread is "cant we all jest get along" from then on it was SRT this and SS that...anyway im done ranting, maybe ill just keep my e-mouth shut and it will be better?....BTW yes it is a neon....but its still faster than your cobalt! lol j/k really j/k i had to but i am seriously j/k :lol:

Back On Topic.....test Drove Cobalt Ss Today....what Was All Your Driving Impressions The First Time You Drove One?

first time i drove 1 , felt like a heavy pig


2nd time was more impressed with it


worste part of the way the power feels when compairing it to others is the drive by wire , the DBW leaves you wondering where your butt dyno went to

first time i drove 1 , felt like a heavy pig


2nd time was more impressed with it


worste part of the way the power feels when compairing it to others is the drive by wire , the DBW leaves you wondering where your butt dyno went to
how does dbw work compared to other?

I actually bought the car without test driving it.

I was impressed nonetheless :D

your srt is a cable throttle , as is my cavalier , pretty much you hit the throttle and it revs

granted there is a little thinking required by the computer


on the cobalts , vettes , ser spec v's , all have the drive by wire ( i didnt list all the cars or trucks with it) now you given the computer something else to think about so you hit the pedal , if the computer doesnt see all the right info it needs it will open slowly , where a cable would be almost instant

now the vette is going to have the faster reacting DBW system over the cobalt , since its a PERFORMANCE car , and the cobalt is a small commuter car (as GM sees it)

im willing to bet if the DBW system reacted quicker , or if GM woulda kept the cable , people would be 90% happier with their cobalts

i know i would have bought a ss/sc already had that been the case

either way i like the car as they are

Do you really think the DBW makes any difference at all to the throttle response? And with all the extra work GM put into the SS over the base Cobalt I think they see it as a performance car.

yeah i was being funny , reason the laughing dudes are there

i would have expected something from the mod with the white rsx , he is a cool guy from what i can tell , and doesnt have the hate of the import vs domestic deal

we all buy what we want and like

and being on the internet you gotta learn to take the hate , jokes , and what ever else people want to say

as the old saying goes "fk'um if they cant take a joke , and joke'um if they cant take a fk " LOL

i might drive a crapalier , but atleast i can take a joke , and considering my cav runs 14.5's with 5-6 psi from my tiny m45 s/c and auto trans , i can obviously dish it back out also , muahahhahahahahhaaa

any way , enjoy the laughs , and loosen up

;););)
who dares to speak of me in this thread? http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/2600/flex5el.gif (http://imageshack.us)

i wouldn't mind test driving the ss/sc. still none around my area so i will have to wait. :(

to me the biggest problem with drive by wire is the hang time after you let go of the throttle, my escort (cable throttle) came down much faster than the cobalt does!

I think that this makes shifting better. If it hangs there for a little longer then it saves the sincros a little more. Also make for smother shifting. This is just my opinion though.

who dares to speak of me in this thread? http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/2600/flex5el.gif (http://imageshack.us)

i wouldn't mind test driving the ss/sc. still none around my area so i will have to wait. :(

come out to az , there is a few here


the DBW is a odd beast to say the least

come out to az , there is a few here


the DBW is a odd beast to say the least
Yeah, you have to adjust the gas pedal before you touch the clutch. i.e. Press gas just before letting out the clutch otherwise it bogs, hesitates, or stalls. Let off the gas before pressing the clutch or it will rev. It makes you look like you don't know how to drive stick. :lol: