http://www.scdyne.com/exhaust.html

I've bought one for my 2,0 SS / SC and will receive it on tuesday.

 

um, thats fitted for a Saturn only. The header will not fit your car in the way you want it to. It routes differently on the SS.

 

It's fitted to the stock profile of the exhaust manifold. Every 2.0L LSJ has the exact same exhaust manifold, weather it's a RedLine or CobaltSS it will fit either vehicle.
As for the 2.4L LE5 we have verified that the header we are offering for it does in fact fit like it's supposed to.

 

ok, if that is the case (which I heard it wasn't, not arguing, just hear say) then if this is a shorty header don't you need to create a custom downpipe for this application or do you offer one?

 

You don't need a down pipe for a shorty header to fit. It's built to bolt up in place of the stock exhaust manifold leaving all other exhaust components in the stock location.

 

Do you have any dyno charts for the product?

It looks pretty good, and a nice deal to boot with the lifetime warranty and upgrade.

 

Image posted on the site Jan 23 2005
Dyno test date Jan 22 2005.
Dynojet Dyno Located in Lancaster Ca. 3 hours and 1 Double Double between the stock and header run - everything else stock, 2004 RedLine. ~2460 ASL, 60 Deg F, 4th gear pull, 1.07 correction factor. I have a full OBDII log of the runs too.

While this is the highest performance gain dyno around others (WopOnTour) have reported 14 HP and we guarentee 10% peak. - We're waiting for another dyno from a customer to post that backs up this dyno.

-- NOTE !! --

That's a 2.0L LSJ dyno as I assumed this thread was leaning that way. We are still waiting on a dyno for the 2.4L LE5 to post.

 

SCdyne or TOG, doesn't TOG only claim like a 8 hp gain???

 

Not fimilar with taking a header off a 4-cylinder but I assume the only thing I will need is the set of wrenches to take the bolts off, a little "push" to pop it off. Does this come with gaskets?

 

wow that header is expensive...buying headers for a V8 is cheaper, like 200$ cheaper, whats the deal?

 

TOG header makes almost 10 HP on a very accurate Mustang dyno. They tend to show lower numbers than other dynos, but the results are more representative of real world gains. Also with the 3” collector it’s designed to respond better to more performance modifications down the road especially with the secondary pipe they are going to offer.

I don't speak for TOG, I'm just giving credit where credit is due.

The install is very straight forward, but you want to use anti-seize to get the stock hardware loose on the exhaust. It takes a 48” (~1 Meter) breaker bar if you don’t.
http://www.scdyne.com/tech/Installat...e%20header.doc
That’s a link to the word doc included with the hardware outlining the install and about 95% the same as the Factory Service Manual outlines for an exhaust manifold replacement procedure.
SCE copper head flange gasket is included with the SCdyne Header and the rest of the stock hardware is retained and re-used on the header.

It’s called supply and demand. First the supply is very small at this time and the demand is very high. Also there isn’t a lot of competition driving the price down. – That’s the Adam Smith Answer

It costs more to make a header in the USA of quality materials and workmanship than it does to make a POS anywhere. So if you are looking for a POS price you’ll get a POS product. You can hold your left hand out – while someone craps in it – and your right hand out while you wait for a better price. See which one fills up first. – Tommy Boy Answer.

Seriously, the available products are priced within the market and are made of a quality that can afford that price. It’s the only engine GM is offering in the future, any money made through sales of headers goes back into product development for the engine.

 

Actually, wasnt that a "Grumpy old men" Quote?

"Wish in one hand, and crap in the other, see which one fills up faster"

Anyway, SEMA is coming up soon, so hopefully after that we will see supply go up thus causing the prices to go down!

 

Yea, Tommy boy is the "slap a warranty on a box of crap..."

Tell me SEMA is coming up soon, our products are on a few vehicles this year and for the next 2 weeks it will be 3 hours of sleep a night and the rest installing parts, tracking down cars, and picking up or dropping off. It's crunch time.

To be honest we have already dropped the price as low as it should go and still be in business at $399. The only way it would be less expensive would be to produce 100 at a time - something the manufacturer can't handle (nor can I afford) - or cut back on the details to save cost. A Crushed collector will lower the price a few bucks, but then it will make less power - I know I tested it and other companies have gone that route proving it makes less power. -Also we could sell painted products for less or a product made of thinner material, but both cases will result in a product that only lasts 6 months to a year before it falls apart.
I understand the need to have inexpensive parts, but for me it’s not an area I wish to get involved in. I would rather make a better product with the most power and reward my customers with more products in the future.

 

Adam
Your header sounds like a great deal - have you considered 304 stainless

winter on the great lakes is salty and every experience with ceramic is interesting

in particular - if you continue to modify and wrench on vehicle your bound to chip them
then possibility of decay enters

what about 304 stainless with ceramic inside

educate me-----

 

See this is the great part. We started the project with the intent of 304 stainless and all of the pre-production headers were 304 stainless. The problem is that only one guy at the manufacturer can TIG weld 304 stainless well so on a production level it's very expensive. I searched for other sources that could build them in volume out of 304 stainless, but they were too expensive to allow for any retailer involvement.

It would be VERY hard to ceramic coat just the inside of 304 Stainless, but some people have just had the 304 header ceramic coated. They were all delivered in machine finish and it's not bling-bling so the ceramic coating provides the look and thermal protection.

So for now volume production is ceramic coated mild steel, but we have a basically one-off run of 304 stainless headers available. They are more expensive, but if a person wanted 304 stainless it can be and has been done.

 

Does the "trade up" deal still apply?
What kind of loot are we talking about for 304?

Screw the bling-bling I'm not very in touch with my feminine side
I want the performance
Chrome won't get you home.........

Just a side note ....... Have but about 800 miles on our 2.4 and I held
V6 Ford Concours at bay without "pushing" the Cobalt
When 1K come up I'll push it - Without the "little lady" in the car!

 

304 Stainless Polished are $499.00 and machine finish are $449.00- I have machine finish 304 in hand, but no polished ones at this time.

 

I'm sure you have gone as low as you can in money, but what if we did a group buy.
I might be up for it on the 304 stainless

 

i cant believe peeple are crying over $399 for like 10HP+
looks like a hell of a deal to me