camber question
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camber question
Rotated my tires today and found an excessive amount of wear on the inside of both front tires. Alignment was done about 15 to 20,000 miles ago when tires were purchased and no major bumps holes or curbs noted since but tires probably have less than 5k left. Tires are 225 45 18 on stock everything. Im wondering what I should be looking at as a cause here? Do I just need to hit an alignment shop or are there measurements that I can take at home to tell if something is outta whack/ bent? Or are the taller tires causing a camber issue as they place certain suspension components higher than they should stock?
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I never had an issue on a 40 series tire either I'll probably just wait it out so I gotta get new tires and get the alignment then I'm just kind of wondering if there's anything I can personally check
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Good to know I thought that was camber
Thing thats weird to me is both sides seem to be wearing evenly on the inside if it was just left or right tire I would suspect a bent control arm or something like that
Thing thats weird to me is both sides seem to be wearing evenly on the inside if it was just left or right tire I would suspect a bent control arm or something like that
But seriously it's a fantastic deal, you really can't beat free re-alignment for the rest of the time you have the car. Initial cost is around $159+tax usually, which is maybe the cost of two normal alignments. If you do as you say and have it checked all the time it comes out much cheaper.
if you also purchase your tires through firestone this basically gives you a no-questions-asked wear warranty, if we install, balance/rotate and align them, your mileage warranty will be honored without any hassle unless there is something major failing on the car causing problems that we recommended to replace at some point.
I realize that the mileage warranty usually won't apply to the performance tires we use but in general it's a good system if you follow through with it.
As a tech at Firestone I have to say we hate people like you
But seriously it's a fantastic deal, you really can't beat free re-alignment for the rest of the time you have the car. Initial cost is around $159+tax usually, which is maybe the cost of two normal alignments. If you do as you say and have it checked all the time it comes out much cheaper.
if you also purchase your tires through firestone this basically gives you a no-questions-asked wear warranty, if we install, balance/rotate and align them, your mileage warranty will be honored without any hassle unless there is something major failing on the car causing problems that we recommended to replace at some point.
I realize that the mileage warranty usually won't apply to the performance tires we use but in general it's a good system if you follow through with it.
But seriously it's a fantastic deal, you really can't beat free re-alignment for the rest of the time you have the car. Initial cost is around $159+tax usually, which is maybe the cost of two normal alignments. If you do as you say and have it checked all the time it comes out much cheaper.
if you also purchase your tires through firestone this basically gives you a no-questions-asked wear warranty, if we install, balance/rotate and align them, your mileage warranty will be honored without any hassle unless there is something major failing on the car causing problems that we recommended to replace at some point.
I realize that the mileage warranty usually won't apply to the performance tires we use but in general it's a good system if you follow through with it.
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As a tech at Firestone I have to say we hate people like you
But seriously it's a fantastic deal, you really can't beat free re-alignment for the rest of the time you have the car. Initial cost is around $159+tax usually, which is maybe the cost of two normal alignments. If you do as you say and have it checked all the time it comes out much cheaper.
if you also purchase your tires through firestone this basically gives you a no-questions-asked wear warranty, if we install, balance/rotate and align them, your mileage warranty will be honored without any hassle unless there is something major failing on the car causing problems that we recommended to replace at some point.
I realize that the mileage warranty usually won't apply to the performance tires we use but in general it's a good system if you follow through with it.
But seriously it's a fantastic deal, you really can't beat free re-alignment for the rest of the time you have the car. Initial cost is around $159+tax usually, which is maybe the cost of two normal alignments. If you do as you say and have it checked all the time it comes out much cheaper.
if you also purchase your tires through firestone this basically gives you a no-questions-asked wear warranty, if we install, balance/rotate and align them, your mileage warranty will be honored without any hassle unless there is something major failing on the car causing problems that we recommended to replace at some point.
I realize that the mileage warranty usually won't apply to the performance tires we use but in general it's a good system if you follow through with it.
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Excessive wear on the inside of the tire? That is never caused by toe. Too much toe(in or out) scrubs tires and can be felt by running your hands over the tire tread and feeling for a feathered edge. It'll also tell you if it's too much toe in or toe out depending on which way edge is going.
Since you changed the tires to a taller sidewall and I dont know if you've done other suspension modifications so the oem alignment specs aren't going to be much help, although a good starting point. I would take it too a shop that does custom alignments and actually knows how to calculate SAI and scrub radius but more importantly once they have that new information being able to adjust for it.
Since you changed the tires to a taller sidewall and I dont know if you've done other suspension modifications so the oem alignment specs aren't going to be much help, although a good starting point. I would take it too a shop that does custom alignments and actually knows how to calculate SAI and scrub radius but more importantly once they have that new information being able to adjust for it.
Excessive wear on the inside of the tire? That is never caused by toe. Too much toe(in or out) scrubs tires and can be felt by running your hands over the tire tread and feeling for a feathered edge. It'll also tell you if it's too much toe in or toe out depending on which way edge is going.
Since you changed the tires to a taller sidewall and I dont know if you've done other suspension modifications so the oem alignment specs aren't going to be much help, although a good starting point. I would take it too a shop that does custom alignments and actually knows how to calculate SAI and scrub radius but more importantly once they have that new information being able to adjust for it.
Since you changed the tires to a taller sidewall and I dont know if you've done other suspension modifications so the oem alignment specs aren't going to be much help, although a good starting point. I would take it too a shop that does custom alignments and actually knows how to calculate SAI and scrub radius but more importantly once they have that new information being able to adjust for it.
As far as SAI and all that good stuff, there is NOTHING adjustable in a cobalt from factory aside from TOE settings in the front only. Rear is fixed beam, front is only camber adjustable with aftermarket offset bolts. I've aligned Blazin07's car which has coils/camber plates, makes it so nice to be able to correct for camber/caster, but on a stock Cobalt you aren't changing **** except for the toe settings
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Too much toe absolutely does cause inner/outer wear that looks like camber wear.
As far as SAI and all that good stuff, there is NOTHING adjustable in a cobalt from factory aside from TOE settings in the front only. Rear is fixed beam, front is only camber adjustable with aftermarket offset bolts. I've aligned Blazin07's car which has coils/camber plates, makes it so nice to be able to correct for camber/caster, but on a stock Cobalt you aren't changing **** except for the toe settings
As far as SAI and all that good stuff, there is NOTHING adjustable in a cobalt from factory aside from TOE settings in the front only. Rear is fixed beam, front is only camber adjustable with aftermarket offset bolts. I've aligned Blazin07's car which has coils/camber plates, makes it so nice to be able to correct for camber/caster, but on a stock Cobalt you aren't changing **** except for the toe settings
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Excessive wear on the inside of the tire? That is never caused by toe. Too much toe(in or out) scrubs tires and can be felt by running your hands over the tire tread and feeling for a feathered edge. It'll also tell you if it's too much toe in or toe out depending on which way edge is going.
Since you changed the tires to a taller sidewall and I dont know if you've done other suspension modifications so the oem alignment specs aren't going to be much help, although a good starting point. I would take it too a shop that does custom alignments and actually knows how to calculate SAI and scrub radius but more importantly once they have that new information being able to adjust for it.
Since you changed the tires to a taller sidewall and I dont know if you've done other suspension modifications so the oem alignment specs aren't going to be much help, although a good starting point. I would take it too a shop that does custom alignments and actually knows how to calculate SAI and scrub radius but more importantly once they have that new information being able to adjust for it.
1000km with bad toe
^^^ you're crazy running on tires with wires sticking out of them
I had a truck today with almost a degree of total toe in today and I thought of this thread. Camber was -.3 as spec called for, but the tires looked like that. But according to the alignment master that's impossible.
I had a truck today with almost a degree of total toe in today and I thought of this thread. Camber was -.3 as spec called for, but the tires looked like that. But according to the alignment master that's impossible.
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^^^ you're crazy running on tires with wires sticking out of them
I had a truck today with almost a degree of total toe in today and I thought of this thread. Camber was -.3 as spec called for, but the tires looked like that. But according to the alignment master that's impossible.
I had a truck today with almost a degree of total toe in today and I thought of this thread. Camber was -.3 as spec called for, but the tires looked like that. But according to the alignment master that's impossible.
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^^^ you're crazy running on tires with wires sticking out of them
I had a truck today with almost a degree of total toe in today and I thought of this thread. Camber was -.3 as spec called for, but the tires looked like that. But according to the alignment master that's impossible.
I had a truck today with almost a degree of total toe in today and I thought of this thread. Camber was -.3 as spec called for, but the tires looked like that. But according to the alignment master that's impossible.