seeyaass

Ok so heres the thing, I want to run E85 cause all these good things im hearing. Buttttt, closest station that sells E85 is bout an hour and a half away from my house, and I drive around 100 miles a day sometimes more. So I do not want to take a trip everyday to get gas.. so my question is, lets say I were to buy a 55gal drum take it there fill it 50/50 and keep it at my house and just fill up whenever I need and it will be there, and ill take 2trips a month instead of everyday, now would this work?

Dart_SI

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Don't see why not.y question is how bad is it to run e85 for your fuel system. I have an e85 station 5 mins from mah house.

HHRSSouth

I have the same problem man, my answer was, Methanol Injection.

I figure I will run a Meth setup until we get more E85 stations here locally.

Be CAREFUL with storing and mixing pure Ethanol at your house.

Bad thing about mixing is you have to make sure its the same everytime and that you are getting the same Ethanol content in every barrel.

I would highly suggest buying a test kit if you decide to do your own mixing.

SSlobalt

Not worth all that, IMO, especially if it's your only car. That just sounds like a disaster.

seeyaass

Meth huh? How does that work? And yeah I know I was just thinking about it and wondered if that would work. How would it be a disaster? 27.5 galons of E 27.5 of 93, mix it up and there you go no? Maybe its more complex than that lol its just a hassel cause its far away.

seeyaass

I was told e85 is fine for the car just gotta drive right.

Ch1ck3n

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It would be possible, but you would need to add a fuel stabilizer to keep the gasoline from going bad in the drum, if you didn't use it fast enough.

You must be tuned properly for it.

The only problems running ethanol is that it is corrosive. It will slowly deteriorate your injectors and cyliner walls, ringlands and whatnot. Although most modern engines would never experience any of this during their normal lifetime.

Pros: 110 octane, since it is a tad bit corrosive, it keeps your **** real clean on the inside. Burns extremely clean and you could possibly pass smog emissions testing without cats if running e85. Midrange punch of an e85 tune is retardedly strong, my tuned/downpipe tc made 388 wtq at 3500rpm in 4th gear.

Cons (sort of): It's corrosive. Requires 30% more fuel than gasoline due to it's extra oxygen molecule. Harder to come by than gasoline as of now. Gas stations tend to have varying ethanol content in their E85 as they are only truly required to have it be 70% ethanol, although many are pretty close to actual 85%. As of now, fully bolted and tuned SS/TC's tend to run out of gas on higher boost tunes at the top end and run lean to very lean. At 6k rpm my dyno pull rated me at 295whp and 248wtq. Which is still pretty good. My stock clutch stopped liking me after about 2 weeks on a pretty aggressive e85 tune.

Without tuning software to account for changes and an 85 pump nearby, meth is definitely a better bet imho.

Ch1ck3n

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Meth is usually operated via a window switch or WOT switch. Injected into your intake tract close to the manifold. It sprays a pre-determined amount of methanol and distilled water through a nozzle mounted in your intake.

Best part about meth injection is, you can just use the blue windshield wiper fluid

HHRSSouth

^^^ what I'm going with 50/50, (4) .75 nozzles (per Devils own recommendation)

I haven't decided on the MAP based kit or boost based, anyone have preference or why one is better then the other?



I'm sure my engine will thank me in this hot ass 90-100 degree heat.

Also if you spray water with methanol it will steam clean your engine and DI engines are notorious for build up.

Ch1ck3n

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I don't run one, but personally If I had to choose one of those two, I'd run a boost controlled kit. LNF MAFs are screwy enough as is.

bobbyhill31286

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I was only getting about 250 miles to a tank on the 50/50 mix so I would say that 55 gallons wont last long especially since he says he sometimes drives 100 miles a day
lol

peachpuff

If trifecta is doing your tuning why not go with the switchable tune, pump gas as the stock tune and e85 tune with the flip of a switch?

Ch1ck3n

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Great idea in theory, in practice it'd never work.

dayhoff35

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yeah if you drvie that much full e wont work i was getting like 200 miles out of a tank but i love e85 just sucks driving to go get it

seeyaass

Yeah I know you have to be tuned for it and everything I know all that maybe ill consider meth inj.

peachpuff

Hmm, how come?

09CobaltSS1

I do basically the exact same thing and it works fantastic from for me. I'm using a slightly smaller container (30gal), but the principle is still the same. I drive my truck the hour trip to the closest e85 station, fill up a 15 gal container, mix an e47-e50 batch in my 30 gal container (investing in an inexpensive ethanol tester ($15) is always a great idea considering the ethanol level changes depending on the time of the year), and fill up my car as I need it. Here's a pic of my current setup. Simple and effective..

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seeyaass

Dam man!! You see thats amazing!! Now how long does that tank sit with e85 in there? How do you mix it?

seeyaass

So meth is controlled by you, or when you hit a certain amount of boost? Or RPM? And the nozzels are mounted in the intake? Or intake manifold? For this you have to drill holes correct?

Ch1ck3n

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You determine when you want it to spray. It's usually done by certain boost or maf freq/air load. Usually mounted in the charge piping near the intake manifold.

09CobaltSS1

So far out of the 30 gallons I've probably usued about 20gal and that has lasted me about 3 weeks thus far (the remaining 10 gallons gives me pretty much another full tank). Now I don't drive the car daily, however I do have a bit of a lead foot so if you take it easy you can obviously go much much further. Plus this is also only a 30 gallon tank. If you can get your hands on a 55gal drum (they are actually 50 true gallons just so you know) you will have 40% more cappacity than my tank, thus lasting you even longer still.

The way I mix it is I fill a seperate 15gal container at the gas station with e85, test it for it's ethanol level, and then pump from the 15gal into the larger 30gal container. Now, keep in mind you don't HAVE to test for the ethanol level, but I personally like to just so I know that I'm always working with a consistant blend. Once the e85 is pumped out of my 15gal container, I then drive down the road to my local gas station, fill up the 15 with 93octane fuel (e10 mix of course) and then pump however much 93 I need into the 30gal container to make my necessary blend. Once both the e85 and 93 are in the 30gal container, I then thoroughly blend everything by pumping it back on itself for a good few minutes. Meaning I am pumping from the bottom of the container right back into the top of the container. It's literally a matter of just pointing the pump nozzle right back into what I'm puming out of.

I know this probably sounds like more work than most people are willing to commit to, but this far it has definitely been worth it for me AND I'm not constantly messing with small 5 gallon batches at a time. Which to me is actually WAY more of a pain in the ass than working with the larger containers. Oh and trust me, you will be perfectly fine just doing a 50/50 blend of e85/93, as to not make things complicated by testing the ethanol blend like I am...

BYT*SS*TURBO

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I have the 30gal tank as well. No point in filling it 50/50 tho, just a waste. Fill it with 30 gals of E85 and then have a 5 gallon tank as well. Keep the 5 gals in the trunk if you're going out, then just fill the car with that and then 5 gals at the station. It lasts me quite awhile doing it that way and I have a similar amount of miles to drive daily.

We made 356 on meth and then 370 with a E Blend.

09CobaltSS1

I keep a 5gal tank in my trunk as well.. but only for emergencies.

Granted I'm only using 15gal of e85 at a time as opposed to a full 30 gallons, but I'd personally just rather have the 50/50 premix already made and on hand ready to pump into my car and then just use the 5gal tank of straight e85 for a backup.

That's just the system that works best me personally though.... then again I've only been riding the E train for about 3 weeks now, so maybe I'll need to tweek my system again at some point.. we shall see

::had to edit my post due to me misreading yours:: :P

seeyaass

I kinda understand guys, but nick, how do you mix it if you fill your 30gal with full e85? Whats confusing me is the 30 gal of e85 and the 5gal of 93?

dayhoff35

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hes saying he pumps in the e85 then adds the extra from the 5 gal tank giving him his mix, where do i get a huge tank like that though i might do this?