this is why I stick with my drop in K&N

 

do your own research...I think there is some spread of miss information on this forum.

 

A car cannot blow up by running one thing slightly off. Will it run poorly? Likely. But it won't blow up.

 

Im running just a Fujita CAI pipe, i took the filter off.....i hope the ****** blows up.

 

That's an understatement. I think the real problem is that all we ever get is the word of a few members. What we need is solid numerical proof.

 

You have nothing to monitor your car, the people posting do. We KNOW what is happening, not just speculating like you are

 

LOL, hope your being sarcastic.

 

I have a dash hawk, I'm just to lazy to run it atm and with all the road construction no where to really WOT.

You are a tuner looking for money as well as term2...so when you two post up how are we not suppose to suspect you arent wanting everyone to buy a tune from you? This forum has turned into a cluster F and I dont believe half the stuff posted on it anymore.

 

And the tuners that have posted in this thread are telling you we have seen the nasty side. That's why I would never change anything with the intake without a CUSTOM tune. GMS1 is NOT a tune for aftermarket parts and does nothing to work better with them.

If you want to throw an intake on your car without a tune, by all means go right ahead. Ignorance is bliss they say...

 

I'm expecting 10 pages, at least.

 

You're right, we're telling people all over the country in hopes they drive thousands of miles to put a couple bucks in my pocket.... It's your car, you are welcome to do with it what you please. We're just saying, what you are doing isn't the right way to do things and it can be potentially dangerous.

You said it yourself, you have the stuff to monitor but haven't. So now who is the one spreading mis-information? You don't even know, you are just saying something you feel or basing it on something you read on here lol.. And you don't need to go WOT to see it's not running correctly, the car is likely knocking like a bitch with part throttle loads.

 

Look ive read posts between you and term and both of you have found differences on diff parts and tuning... Not ever part is made the same, not every car reacts the same.

I put a intake on my car, I knew what I was getting into. Nothing bad has happened. I'll data log and share my results. I have a spare pcm I bought to hpt myself later.

You and term both email tunes :P theres no driving needed.


I'm not spreading miss information? what info did I spread?

DI engines knock like crazy stock at partial throttle...sooo are you saying the car needs a tune to run stock?

 

BYT,

No offense man, when I plan on getting a tune I will becoming to you, but for now I have not seen anything that has startled me happening on my car other than factory parts breaking due to poor design. When I get the rest of my setup on, I will becoming to see you. Until then though Im not gonna frett over the tiny changes in the fuel trims that dont indicate a boost leak or gunked up injectors....

 

Which unfortunately you are contributing to in this case..

I'm just sayin..

 

exactly. I'm not saying a tune isnt good. **** ya a tune is good. But for wangspeed to post saying tune or die with intake, is absurd.

please tell me what miss information I am spreading?

 

Again, you guys are looking at limited or no information and just saying it seems fine so it must be.

And North, you are right, we email tunes. But the customer has to have their own HPT to do that...so they're already planning on custom tuning it lol.

If you don't have a problem with the car knocking with your intake on then enjoy it. When you ride in a car that is properly dialed in for the intake you will see the difference. Better response, mileage and performance! BTW, you're doing the samething we are doing but for the other side, telling people because you feel it's fine that it actually is. Are you getting money from GM and K&N for telling people to mod them? lol..

Wangspeed is just posting a public service announcement because there is a million posts on the same questions constantly. The people that tune the cars know and the people that know nothing about the cars look to the people that do for advice. If you feel it's fine, again, enjoy. But there's no harm in getting the CORRECT information out there for people to make THEIR own choice as well

 

Northvibe

lol.. nowhere, you're right... maybe ignorance really is bliss...

 

Then what was the point in "partially" disabling the learn-down feature? Im not saying that it is going fix any skews in the Trim that you might find with a aftermarket intake, im just trying to point out that if GM didn't want people putting after market parts on, they would have kept the learn-down feature in-tact and just locked the HP to 280 and the torque to 320. When you run a K&N SRI that has trims pretty close to stock (based on research, not proof) I think it is worth the 12HP gain. What type of gains can you see if you went with a custom tune on a CAI or a SRI?

 

There is no learn down feature, I believe I told you this in your thread about disabling it. It isn't some option that they put on. The car is tuned via load, it's set to look for a certain load and maintain that, when you exceed it, it reduced the load. IE the power. Not to mention this is a TOTALLY different topic here lol...

 

without changing the boost from stock, that would be a good question.

I would guess it would be about 10hp, the number you see before the car sees the added airload and backs down on the boost.

BYT is right. I am just giving you guys information as I see it. Im using the interceptor guage that only allows you to view two stats at a time so I cant see what happens all the time every time. Been i've been watching the fuel trims for months now and I hadnt seen anything different than what the stock airbox did, if not slightly better. I dont have a print out sheet that has all the info on a nice graph that I could load up here. I can only tell you guys my account. If I care enough about the issue then I would go out and get HPT and log my car. But I dont care enough, my car runs the same, maybe better, 1/4 mile and a better trap speed then last year and I enjoy the intake. After ZZP comes out with there intercooler, I will be purchasing it along with the lower charge pipe and coming to you for a tune, Nick.

 

I dont have an issue with the way my car drives atm, because I dont drive it often, havent ridden in a tuned one, and havent purchased hpt to tune my own yet. I have never disagreed that tuning was better. I would assume logically tuning would make everything better, if done properly. As it should...as thats the reason too.

As for me getting money, lol I wish, I still havent seen proof of my miss spread information.

I dont disagree to that. If you see in the tuning and intake sticky threads I fully agreed and actually support you and term2 as good tuners. What I disagree with is the way wangspeed went about posting this information. It comes off as sounding like hitler saying if you dont get a tune with any intake your **** will blow up and you will be failboat and everyone on css will make fun of you, so go get a custom tune. That isnt spreading good information properly. Nor is it informative to help making a choice on their own. Scare tactics...arent the best way to "sway" people or give them information.

 

Sorry, I wasn't trying to get off topic. I realize we are talking about aftermarket Tunes and intakes..not canned tunes and intakes. I was just trying to understand why my canned tune isn't going to work better than just keeping the car stock and putting an intake on it. I guess that all goes back to the fact that the GMS1 doesn't account for the new fuel trims.

Carry on!

 

I think this thread was more made because there is a million threads about GMS1 and then intakes, the regulars can only take sooo much sometimes I guess lol. And it isn't scare tactics when there is truth behind it. Will your car blow up, IMHO, prolly not! Is it getting fouled up with too much fuel and wasting performance, absolutely. Why spend money on an intake that won't gain any performance, noise?

And you're mis-information is telling people this is nonsense based on 0 facts, just your opinion and the way you FEEL the car is running. That is putting info out there based on nothing factual AT ALL.

 

well if i believe what all of you say is true i am in theory that i should never buy a cobalt turbo unless i plan on spending a lot of money on upgrading it just to have a little bit of power considering its turbo...to be safe that is......and i think it even scared me into ever buying a new car ever because these new computers are just to complicated unless i just buy a car and never upgrade it and just change my hobby to baseball instead of cars!

 

$200 for a custom tune is a lot of money?? For under 1K in aftermarket parts you can have a car with ~330whp and 380wtq that runs into the 12's well over 110mph. Try that with any other new car on the market (4cyl, not v8's) and you will find they cost a lot more to go as fast.

I personally wouldn't even buy a mod before tuning, the mods are nickle and diming the HP and then it's dulled down by the VCM anyway without a custom tune. Best example is the GMS1 here. You spend all that money on it, bolt on some parts and you still cant have the power a custom tuned 100% stock parts car can make. Best bang for the buck is a tune plain and simple!