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Old 01-14-2011, 03:06 PM
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Tune w aftermarket intercooler???

Just as the title states, would i need to get retuned if i was to install an aftermarket ic? I used the search and it didnt come back w any results. Thanks

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I've heard it doesnt matter, but if you wanted to see any gains from it then you would need to tune for colder temps and jus slightly adjust your timing. But it wont make too much of a significant change so you really dont have to.

but then again that's just what i've heard, im gonna wait and see what others have to say cuz im looking at throwing in my zzp intercooler, upgraded couplers, and forge bpv this weekend.
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ZZP intercooler picked up almost 30whp on a mustang dyno, vs stock intercooler. It's worth it.
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Originally Posted by RiceCop
ZZP intercooler picked up almost 30whp on a mustang dyno, vs stock intercooler. It's worth it.
do you know if they retuned for it?
Old 01-14-2011, 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by RiceCop
ZZP intercooler picked up almost 30whp on a mustang dyno, vs stock intercooler. It's worth it.
really?
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Dont worry about getting it tuned. The pressure drop wont be sginificant enough to be a concern, consider it a direct replacement part.

If you add other mods, anything other than a intercooler, then id say yeah, go ahead and get it tuned.
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Originally Posted by dncalvillo2
do you know if they retuned for it?
Where would the proof be for that? I can't see an IC putting down 30hp more....
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Originally Posted by RiceCop
ZZP intercooler picked up almost 30whp on a mustang dyno, vs stock intercooler. It's worth it.
Im sorry but i think ur pretty full of **** or just bein really sarcastic
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Yea im with everyone else i dont see that happening with just an intercooler unless it was with meth also. But i dont think you would need to tune for it.
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Some say 30 to the CRANK idk about to the wheels lol
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30 to the crank?! from an intercooler? magic better be happening in that core, cus that just doesnt make any sense at all.
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Originally Posted by Grishbok
30 to the crank?! from an intercooler? magic better be happening in that core, cus that just doesnt make any sense at all.
I saw it on someones website, im trying to find it
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Unless you have a bigger turbo which was causing the stock IC to not be able to cool effectively, you are going to see very little gain, if any, OR unless you are doing multiple back to back runs.

In either case, there isn't really much of a way to "tune" for an IC so no, you don't need to get tuned.
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30 whp from a ic. ? I'd be willing to bet there is very little gain on stock turbo
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Originally Posted by Garret
30 whp from a ic. ? I'd be willing to bet there is very little gain on stock turbo
I cant find where i saw it... I must have been seeing ****

EDIT: idk if you were talking to me or not, i said that i thought i saw some were 30 to the crank.
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30whp? No way.

My car picked up 19whp from an intercooler, charge pipes, and an off road downpipe lol
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Originally Posted by slowstang
30whp? No way.

My car picked up 19whp from an intercooler, charge pipes, and an off road downpipe lol
you should have got that much from the dp so either cp's and ic didnt net any gain or something else is wrong
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Originally Posted by dncalvillo2
I've heard it doesnt matter, but if you wanted to see any gains from it then you would need to tune for colder temps and jus slightly adjust your timing. But it wont make too much of a significant change so you really dont have to.

but then again that's just what i've heard, im gonna wait and see what others have to say cuz im looking at throwing in my zzp intercooler, upgraded couplers, and forge bpv this weekend.
Originally Posted by Grishbok
Dont worry about getting it tuned. The pressure drop wont be sginificant enough to be a concern, consider it a direct replacement part.

If you add other mods, anything other than a intercooler, then id say yeah, go ahead and get it tuned.
Originally Posted by rnjmur
Unless you have a bigger turbo which was causing the stock IC to not be able to cool effectively, you are going to see very little gain, if any, OR unless you are doing multiple back to back runs.

In either case, there isn't really much of a way to "tune" for an IC so no, you don't need to get tuned.
Ok thats wut i was figuring, but wasnt sure since our cars have a map sesnor in the cold side pipe. Sweet so now im thinking bout installin my MPx that i got yesterday possibly next weekend now!! Not to mention maybe the new K&N typhoon and Forge BPV!!! Damn i can wait!!!!

Originally Posted by RiceCop
ZZP intercooler picked up almost 30whp on a mustang dyno, vs stock intercooler. It's worth it.
have another Not tryin to be mean or a dick but.......

Thanks for ALL the replies everybody, i really appriciate it

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Originally Posted by yamaha288
you should have got that much from the dp so either cp's and ic didnt net any gain or something else is wrong
I doubt the cp's and intercooler were worth much at all...most of the gain was felt with the downpipe. The car picked up 1.1mph at the dragstrip with the downpipe so thats really only saying the dp is worth alittle over 10whp.
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Originally Posted by Grishbok
30 to the crank?! from an intercooler? magic better be happening in that core, cus that just doesnt make any sense at all.
Maybe with a meth nozzle also attached
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Cobalt 2.0 Performance

An upgraded intercooler mostly just helps keep the iat down when doing back to back pulls.
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Originally Posted by Grishbok
30 to the crank?! from an intercooler? magic better be happening in that core, cus that just doesnt make any sense at all.
LOL I have a huge gain in the cold but other than that this 600 HP Dejon Garret core has not done much. Maybe 10 whp tops.. tuned...
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Originally Posted by slowstang
I doubt the cp's and intercooler were worth much at all...most of the gain was felt with the downpipe. The car picked up 1.1mph at the dragstrip with the downpipe so thats really only saying the dp is worth alittle over 10whp.
Without a tune you will see maybe a 10whp increase with a DP. On a tuned SS/TC a DP will make much more difference.
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Sorry I took so long to reply, but yes going from stock IC to ZZP IC was worth almost 30whp on our mustang dyno. Dyno numbers were-

Stock- 221whp and 234wtq
K&N SRI, ZZP Catless DP, Injen CP, Trifecta 23psi tune- 265whp and 277wtq
Added in ZZP IC and added more timing since lower IATs- 292whp and 301wtq

Not exactly 30, but close. Was also a couple degrees cooler out than the before dyno, so I'm sure that helped too.

Also to note, the car picked up 5mph in the 1/4 with just the IC swap with a retune.


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