jcalvin1126

Hey guys,

Weird question due to my last of knowledge in this category.

To begin with I am getting a 3" down pipe, k&n intake, intercooler and piping installed onto my 08.

I have a local dyno here that says for 1-2 hours with a tune they will give me a good tune for 600 bucks.

First question,
Do I need to by JP tuner or something, or can the dyno tune take out the learn down feature and all that.

Q#2
What support mods would I need for the car with these mods,

Q#3
And what gains should I get so I know the dyno is not screwing me.

Any advice or heads up would be nice and thank you in advance.

Olybaltss

Welcome!

1) Best bet would most likely be finding a reliable tuner here for a fraction of the cost using HPTuners. Dyno tuning doesn't allow you to disable learndown (IIRC)
2) 3 Bar MAP sensor would help for more accurate boost reading above stock tune. Intake, tune, MAP sensors, and intercooler/piping are the big ones up front.
3) Approx 300 to the wheel...

https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/08-1...d-me%5D-82531/

awesome guide for LNF builds in the link above

Slowbalt2000

iTrader: (1)

Dyno tuning is still going to be done with hptuners so yes youll be able to get rid of learn down but you should go with someone who knows how to tune lnfs.

09outlander

Make sure the tuner has had extensive experience tuning the LNF, if they don't, I'd go elsewhere.

bmartz1991

iTrader: (35)

I would not pay $600 for a tune.

jcalvin1126

So I don't have to buy a zzp ecm or HP tuner if I plan to just use a dyno?

Or should I buy a zzp ecm and then run it at the dyno to solidify the tune?

nathan112i

whats wrong with $600 for a tune? having said that OP you might be better off finding a tuner on here

jcalvin1126

I will once I get home (at work) however should I buy a tuner or just show up after the parts are installed.

(I'm installing them all at once then tuning it so I don't mess with anything)

jcalvin1126

Thanks man I'll look into a map sensor as well.

Is a bov a need? Or should I just keep it how it is?

nathan112i

^CED has a "plug and play" 3bar map sensor kit and its worth every penny so you don't have to cut and solder your new connections. what i would do is pay your tuner tell them the mods you are going to be running and they will send you a base file to run. you must have a tune for the 3bar map sensors.BOV is not needed and requires more modifications then its really worth in my opinion but some people love the sound.

jcalvin1126

I was looking at the ZZP tubing and intercooler set, and it has an option for BOV. I love the sound of the turbo as is stock. and I don't have to have a BOV sound as long as I get to keep that haha.

P.S. Should I get the intercooler with the piping? or is that more for higher hp gains? Im looking at being a sleeper and won't be messing with the exhaust. But I want to eat anything close to a 5.0 coyote mustang.

basically I want to be able to run 12 second 1/4 mile.

nathan112i

mid 12 will be hard with a fwd manual trans car but you will sure have the trap speed of a 12 second car! with a K&N intake these cars make alot of turbo noise even on stock turbo and bpv. the intercooler kit is more of a reliability upgrade. what i would suggest to you is get basic bolt on and a tune and go from there, you might be happy or get bit by the modding bug . an intake, catless dp, 3 bar map sensors and tune are going to be your priority if you are after power

jcalvin1126

Thanks man,

Well I was looking at the tuners list
https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/tuni...cations-86603/
and well its like 3 years old so I am worried the guy in dayton wickedss2005 isn't doing them anymore but I have to contact him I guess. Dayton is like 10 minutes away from me.


I allready have the mod bug man. I came from a very long line of modding cars, and never am happy until the cars gets scary. However, with the motivation of this being a daily driver. I don't want to kill myself.

I am a drag strip wannabe king, and run at kilcare all the time. However it has been closed so I have to get my fix on closed roads till I find a new strip.

nathan112i

neat thing is about hp tuners is you don't need to be geographically close to your tuner, i live in basically the most western part of Canada and my tuner is in florida. 09CobaltSS1, terminator2, area47 are really reputable tuners to name a few. KM043 is starting to get more lnf tunes under his belt and is worth PMing as well

jcalvin1126

I am actually speaking with KM043 as the moment. Just got to get my hands on a Hptuner now. With the tuner being away from the area do I have to work about A/F I heard bad stories of trifecta tunes leaning them out and blowing rings.

Curious if I should buy an Hp Tuner now or see if anyone close by has one.

no_ss

iTrader: (2)

Get a forged diverter valve(by pass valve) if you're turning up the boost. You'll need one to hold boost more reliably.

nathan112i

i am running 26psi on a 7163efr and before that it was 26psi on the k04r all on stock bpv you don't NEED a forge bpv

nathan112i

buy hp tuners as an investment so you can datalog and change the tune when ever you want. there are alot of things tuners have to look out for not just A/F. i would trust anyone of those tuners mentioned above but i am not here to play favorites

jcalvin1126

Yeah but sometimes a name goes a long way in the auto industry. Thanks for the feedback. Now I just have to ask around if I can borrow a hptuner after I get my parts and buy the tune

On that note anyone got an HP tuner around the Dayton Ohio area haha

ECaulk

iTrader: (6)

No you don't. The stock bpv holds the boost just fine.

09CobaltSS1

The stock bpv is more than capable of handling pretty much whatever boost level you can throw at it. Put it this way, ALL efr turbos all the way from the 6255 all the way up to the 9180 use the exact same bpv.

brycerice13

The rubber diaphragm on the stock BPV can tear after a while, but i'm talking lots of years, at high boost and high temps. But almost everything will wear out eventually.

nathan112i

justify it how you want. engineers at borg warner are not stupid, they sure as hell didn't go though all of R&D making the EFR from the ground and cheap out on the bpv.

no_ss

iTrader: (2)

Omg so much turmoil over what I said holy crap man. Chill a little.

jcalvin1126

Lol I'm new here so I just listen and see the outcome.