Anyone know when ZZP is going to have more intercoolers available without purchasing the entire upgrade kit? Also, any clearance issues with the larger unit? Any PSI drop in comparison to the stock intercooler? Considering DEJON Upper Pressure Piping and ZZP intercooler before getting tuned to 21-23PSI. Any input?

 

https://frozenboost.com

 

I emailed them about 3 weeks ago. response was 2-3 month wait and are being made now. We are doing the same thing to our cars lol

 

Haha nice! Great minds think alike! But 2-3 months!?!?!? I wanna get TUNED now!!!

 

Yeah same here. any idea what tune you're going to get?

 

I've done SO MUCH HOMEWORK on Tunes and after talking to almost everyone, I'm going to go Trifecta. I actually met a guy here where I live (Cincinnati) who tunes and has his own SS. Dyno'd 340HP 402WTQ with bolts + tune. I'll probably go more conservative b/c I don't want to fork over the extra $ for a new clutch. Trifecta seems to have a great rep and may not throw up the numbers HP does but it's still gonna be FAST. My goal is 300WHP and 330WTQ and I'll be happy. I just want to do it the right way. Gonna get OTTP rotated mounts and possibly new bushings to make it shift smoother. Plus having a selectable tune is just amazing, and no need for new sensors to read over 21PSI.

 

The right way would be an hptune, just saying... And if you have ethanol close by you should take advantage of it.

 

^ see I don't understand why people say there is a right and wrong way to do it. Just because someone got HP tuned doesn't mean its the right way. Not trying to be a dick. There are so many mixed reviews and this is why I ask so many questions before deciding

 

Apparently he didn't read that the OP wants to stay on stock clutch which E will make quick work of. Lol.

If you're desperate, Treadstone most likely has intercoolers in stock.

 

Op is in the nati, James is just south of him, I'm sorry but I can't recommend trifecta to anyone. I went ahead and bought hptuners and remote tune. You don't have to wait on anyone, you can log whenever you want. James is very quick with revisions and will do what you ask. He said he wants to do things the right way. My advice with op being in cinci, talk to ccss3.

 

You can still get tuned now and just get updates for the tune later once you get the new I/C and whatever else you're getting...

I mean what's the worst thing that'll happen? you'll blow off the end caps like most of us on here did? Nothing ductape can't fix

 

I love my dejon pipe. Why wouldn't you get the upper and lower one? Are you thinking of getting a bov? If so then definitely get trifecta because his new ecp tune makes bovs work without issues. Really there are difference circumstances when its better to get one tune over the other like trifecta has a few features hp doesnt have, its more convenient, its a great safe tune. Hp on the other hand i would get it i got like a turbo swap and built the engine. You can really get the most power out of hp when your doing large upgrades. For you you want 300hp, stock clutch and selectable tune so trifecta is definatly better for you lol. I have trifectas ecp tune and its awesome. Request no throttle delay when you order it. And you should wait for a group buy for it because then when you buy the tune you can get a free cable or a 30 dollar cable or something like that.

 

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Agreed HP Tuners is a great suite. I'm not denying that, I just think there are certain Tunes and Tuners you should go to based on what you want out of the car. For me 300WHP and 330WTQ will allow me to pull most of the cars I run with so I'll be happy. And I know a VERY good tuner here in Cincinnati who's giving me a pretty good deal on tuning since he tunes and has a Cobalt of his own. Plus I can take him with me when Data logging and always have someone local. And the cost of the Trifecta Tune is MUCH less than HP TUNERS. That and I don't want to have to get a new clutch! But who knows, knowing me, I'll do Trifecta and then want more and end up getting a new clutch and HP Tune. But I think this will be a good start for now, and then see if I want more power.

 

Don't plan on a BOV and probably won't do the lower pipe because it's not restrictive. Or so I've been told...

 

Haha! Yeah I'm just Leary, it's my daily driver and I can't go a day without er. I just think it's safer to have an intercooler with better end tanks. I'm just picky like that. I want more power, but I'm trying to do it safely so I don't have any major issues ya know

 

I agree HPT is great, I just think it would be overkill for what I want to do. I probably wouldn't even need E85 to hit 300WHP. We have 93 Octane here in Cincy so it should do the trick. One of the guys here in Cincy tuned his through Trifecta and put down 340WHP and 402WTQ. Which is way more than I'd need. But who knows, I'll start with Trifecta and then if I want more, I'll go HPT. What boost/numbers you putting down with yours?

 

How good is the Treadstone? I heard it usually needs more work done? And what about the additional piping? Chance of blowing? And I'm mixed about the looks.

 

Treadstone doesn't mount as well as ZZP. It also requires the use of two extra couplers, which adds another two places for possible boost leaks. It is also smaller than the ZZP intercooler, if you go with the TR8. It also feels like more of a generic IC that was just modified to fit the 'balt, where the ZZP unit feels as though it was designed specifically for the 'balt..............which it was.

I don't work for ZZP, either. I'm just what they call a nut-swinger.

 

i have a spare used Turbo XS FMIC for sale if you are interested

 

No you won't need e85 to hit 300whp, why 300? Utilize the money you've spent in mods and get to the cars full potential safely. 300whp can be made on 100% stock car tune only. Do you track your car? Or is this just a dd you have fun in? Either way you will always want more after so long. Trifecta isn't bad at all, but it's usually very rich to be conservative, though you can ask for more. How i see it, I spent all this money on mods, why skimp out on the tune. The tune is where you can utilize the money you spent on mods. Why spend all this money on mods for a mediocre tune is all I'm saying.

I've got a 24lb 93 octane tune and idr boost on the e47 tune. Big difference between the 93 and e47, they shut my e pumps down temporarily, so I'm back to 93 and it's depressing ahaha. I want e back, once you have it it's just so good. James had to ramp my boost a little slower to keep my clutch from slipping. Either way going from gms1 to hpt or trifecta will make a big difference. Youll be happy with trifecta until you have a problem and Vince is Mia and your sol.

 

300 Just seems like a good number, realistic to hit. And most Tuners I've spoke to said not to exceed 325whp with the stock clutch. I started with the intent to make it sound better, air intake + downpipe, then I decided to turn up the boost which means new intercooler + piping. So I thought 300whp with 330wtq it should be close to 1hp/10lbs with me driving. It's my daily driver and I love it, I just want to make it sound better and then wanted to get the gains from the new toys so a tune seemed like the next step, I guess I've just felt like it would be a safe way to get it quicker and sound better.

 

Ok here is the thing.. You want what you want.... THE WHOLE TRIFECTA bov blah blah blah ecp tune or whatever.. Its not hard to tune for a bov. wether its maf relocate or not.. Its just time. So therefore woopdy f***ing doo. Trifecta has pros but when everything is weighed it has way more cons then pros...

Hptuners: When you get with the correct tuner, you will have a amazing tune that will consist to your needs. Meaning time taken for the tune, revision after revision till it is right. Power wise its going to be what you want it to be considering its based on your (wants/needs) boost etc. You dont want to replace a clutch, ok ramp in boost slow and get 20-22lbs and bam great tune. You want it more aggressive, get with your tuner call/text/email. And he or she will get back to you quickly if they care or if they can. When datalogging or tuning within the actual maps/ peramters for hptuners you can see whats happening and ask questions. If you are getting remote tuned by a logger or with your own, you can have a conversation with your tuner and ask questions if your tuner isnt a dumbshit and has great customer service. There is alot more with hptuners, ive given 2 hour phone calls to people so they can understand each step and know what they are seeing.. And theres a lot more pros INCLUDING CUSTOMER RELATIONS WITH A GOOD TUNER, respected numbers, easy viewable logs, understandable perameters, and more

hptuner cons: Depending on your tuner you may have shitty contact, and issues within your tune. No select a tune (alot with hptuners depends on the tuner)

Trifecta pros: select a tune,

TRIFECTA cons: HORRIBLE CUSTOMER SERVICE, it takes weeks apon months to get revisons somtimes, shitty trims, (the worst tuning any tuner has prob ever scene) unreliable dd most of the time, knock everywhere most of the time, rich as hell, shitty mpg, and only one person tunes "vince". Theres more cons im sure!

Im not in no way talking **** about trifecta, i am basically pinpointing issues within it..!!

and the guy who your talking about OP in your area that tune his car is acey. He is on meth..!!

 

This man speaks the truth

 

Thank you for chiming in, I def. appreciate the knowledge. Where are you located? If you're close I wouldn't mind meeting up sometime (after supporting mods are on) to get tuned if you think HP would be safer. Honestly I think they're both great and each have their own benefit. I just want to make sure I can get the power safely. We need to talk sometime! I'd like to explore options with HPT if you're down with that?