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Old 07-22-2013, 01:48 PM
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3 Bar MAP Sensors

Okay, so i've asked about ways to bypass the GMS1 costs many many times...

now after seeing 78357804 people having issues with GMS1 i just want the sensors, so i can throw them on and get an aftermarket tune...

so can anyone help me out with some part numbers? i think i found them on CED but i am not sure
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This is a link to the sensor on CED. You will need 2 of these.
3 Bar MAP Sensor 55206797
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Originally Posted by iboost
This is a link to the sensor on CED. You will need 2 of these.
3 Bar MAP Sensor 55206797
i thought that was it.. wasnt sure though....

i thought i needed the blue o-rings not the black ones?
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I think it comes with the blue ones. Don't quote me on it though...
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55206797 3 Bar MAP Sensor
Must be used with seal PN 12626998
Click on link below to order seals (1 per sensor)

and it shows a black seal... maybe something to inquire with CED about???
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You'll need 2 of these

O-RING 3 Bar Map Sensor 12626998

do yourself a favor and get a set of these as well (you only need 1 set)

Cobalt, Solstice, HHR Stage Kit Harness Adapter 19212670H
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Originally Posted by 09CobaltSS1
You'll need 2 of these

O-RING 3 Bar Map Sensor 12626998

do yourself a favor and get a set of these as well (you only need 1 set)

Cobalt, Solstice, HHR Stage Kit Harness Adapter 19212670H
yeah hah it says that, but i thought i saw somewhere about the blue ones....

heck yeah i do... it'd make my life easy
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blue o-rings =

black O-rings =
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maybe thats what i saw....

hah yeah i gave up short cutting GMS1 on two factors... i see people on here having issues with it, and a friend uses HPT so i wont have to hunt down someone i dont know locally for it ha
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What exactly is the use for the senor ? To run more boost?
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No, it allows the ability to monitor boost levels over 23.5psi. You can technically boost to the moon with the stock sensors if you'd really like, but what's the point if you can't properly monitor boost levels when tuning.
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Originally Posted by 09CobaltSS1
No, it allows the ability to monitor boost levels over 23.5psi. You can technically boost to the moon with the stock sensors if you'd really like, but what's the point if you can't properly monitor boost levels when tuning.
Makes sense to me
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GRANTED unless your Data Logging or have an RPD you wont get an "exact" number(well i think the Aeroforce is digital) with the stock gauge
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I just bought a zfr and full boltons so technically I can run that with 23.5 psi and still be around 400 whp
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Originally Posted by joshsal123
I just bought a zfr and full boltons so technically I can run that with 23.5 psi and still be around 400 whp
but if your running a ZFR might as well get the damn sensors anyways since you'll be tuned..
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Originally Posted by GreenySC2
GRANTED unless your Data Logging or have an RPD you wont get an "exact" number(well i think the Aeroforce is digital) with the stock gauge
The rpd won't register over 25psi and even at that, it's not really very accurate. The stock boost gauge is the same thing. It's not a true boost reading. It's an interpretation of what the ecm thinks you might be making based off of flow past the maf and a few other factors. Beyond a certain point, it's still not very accurate. Not at least for tuning purposes.

Originally Posted by joshsal123
I just bought a zfr and full boltons so technically I can run that with 23.5 psi and still be around 400 whp
That's a negative batman. You will not hit 400whp with the zfr at 23.5psi. Even with an e-blend you'll have a tough timing hitting 400whp sub 25psi.
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Just one more thing to buy fml I'm never gonna get the parts together to put it together
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Originally Posted by joshsal123
Just one more thing to buy fml I'm never gonna get the parts together to put it together
your looking $150 for the sensors, plugs, o-rings, or like $50 if you cut out the plugs, either way its not mind blowing expensive...

pay to play, pay to play
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This thread is funny haha. I agree with 09cobaltss1. Just one thing on the ZFR, I did hit 415whp 435wtq 24 psi e47 blend.
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off topic, should i have these if im boosting a 2.2?
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Originally Posted by Fastgti69
This thread is funny haha. I agree with 09cobaltss1. Just one thing on the ZFR, I did hit 415whp 435wtq 24 psi e47 blend.
video or it didn't happen

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Originally Posted by Fastgti69
This thread is funny haha. I agree with 09cobaltss1. Just one thing on the ZFR, I did hit 415whp 435wtq 24 psi e47 blend.
You no doubt definitely did hit 415/435 however it was at 26psi according to your graph (and according to you in the thread as well.. ), and the power is kind of all over the place past 5500rpm or so. Plus you're pulls were done at a leaner lambda than I would feel comfortable setting up for a street tune (.91 lambda or 13.37afr on a gasoline scaled wideband for those that don't know lambda), plus 27* of timing is just too aggressive imo. Your best looking run did actually seem to come from at slightly over 24psi though (413whp) which is definitely still nothing to scoff at. The problem I have with comparing dyno results though is that there are so many different variable involved that it's almost a moog point to make. I still stand by what I said though. It will be hard to hit 400whp with anything sub 25psi even with e47.
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Originally Posted by GreenySC2
video or it didn't happen

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There's a whole thread about it. Here you go https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/2-0l...ct-efr-282881/

I think the dynograph is on page 5 or something.


Originally Posted by 09CobaltSS1
You no doubt definitely did hit 415/435 however it was at 26psi according to your graph (and according to you in the thread as well.. ), and the power is kind of all over the place past 5500rpm or so. Plus you're pulls were done at a leaner lambda than I would feel comfortable setting up for a street tune (.91 lambda or 13.37afr on a gasoline scaled wideband for those that don't know lambda), plus 27* of timing is just too aggressive imo. Your best looking run did actually seem to come from at slightly over 24psi though (413whp) which is definitely still nothing to scoff at. The problem I have with comparing dyno results though is that there are so many different variable involved that it's almost a moog point to make. I still stand by what I said though. It will be hard to hit 400whp with anything sub 25psi even with e47.

Oh yea 413** haha but still my 26 psi run was the one that was running out of fuel and was my last run, probably why it was all over the place. I'm sure if I used that file the first session, I could have hit 430 I think. Still though 24 psi 413 whp e47. I'm sure you can do the same LOL. I went on a reputable dyno out here too so there isn't a low and high on this one. Still though, I agree it's hard to hit 400whp. You'll need some sort of race gas or ethanol to do it in the 25 psi range.
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Originally Posted by 09CobaltSS1
do yourself a favor and get a set of these as well (you only need 1 set)

Cobalt, Solstice, HHR Stage Kit Harness Adapter 19212670H
If anyone is looking to save some money on this there are details out there on what type of connector these are, you can get the terminals/bare connectors/seals from mouser/digikey (or scrapyard) and make your own harness for cheaper.
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Use the Black O-rings, you won't find the Blue ones anyways, they only come with the S1 kit.


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