ripped

lowers your ic temps by 50degreees claims gaines up to 30hp alone hmmm looks interesting and kool
well its already on a lnf engine
hereds the thread on the solstice forums
http://www.solsticeforum.com/forum/f...i-sweet-64680/
heres link for pics on the car and it works
http://www.designengineering.com/gal...ntiac-solstice
link to product
http://www.designengineering.com/cat...tem-components

09BlueBaltSS

It will work. Just need to be 100% sure the motor is not ingesting any or it will kill power.
Same thing goes for the N02 ic sprayers. Alot of the time the gains are not only from lowering the air temp but also from sucking up nitrous floating through the engine bay

beast10007

u should try meth its dose the same and is safe

msonia03

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Its crazy theres a thread about this right now, ive been thinking about this for my lsj. Spraying the heat exchanger in hopes of cooling the dex. thoughts on if it would work as well

beast10007

this is LNF fail


meth is the way to go btw

ripped

i am going meth i thought this was interesting thou, could you use both lol prob overkill

09BlueBaltSS

Ya id just do meth and call it a day. You coming to towers friday?

ItalianJoe1

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Meth is overrated.

Although, intercooler sprayers are even worse IMO.

tomj77

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meth will not lower intake temps by 50 degrees how can it be the same? meth is what water/alcohol mix makes the air a little cooler, c02 is compressed gas at -40 degrees im sure it will cool the temps alot better then meth, just dont have nearly as much of it so it dont last as long.

BLAZIN07SS

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thats why when people ask me whats the best mix i say 80% meth 20% water or a 90/10. the water is only good to make the meth somewhat stable. its cooling properties are pretty useless. want a cooling mod? nitrous(not on the IC), spray the car. IC temps will drop dramatically when on the nitrous

ItalianJoe1

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The theory behind water injection has been around for 100 years, the point is that water can absorb a ton more heat than fuel from the combustion chamber, thereby controlling CC temps. That's why it's sprayed into the intake tract. It's a band-aid fix for a setup that doesn't run right.

I/C sprayers just lower charge air temps. Different theory alltogether.

tomj77

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alcohol in the meth would absorb more heat then the water so i guess its good in that way. plus it makes ur fuel like 120+ octane. but as far as cooling id think c02 would do a better job. just not as practical. should use propane, that just as cold as c02 and it ignites. wonder how it would work.

ItalianJoe1

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Proof for that first statement? Water has a higher specific density than any alcohol. The alky is for a fuel source and the higher octane effect.

The CO2 is a different type of cooling, IAT2 vs. combustion chamber temps. Water/Meth has a marginal charge cooling effect but that's not the main purpose.

Propane is used in diesel apps like nitrous, but just off the top of my head I think it ignites more easily than the fuel mix would, meaning increased propensity to knock. I could be wrong there though.

tomj77

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proof of the first statment is as easy as this, pour water on ur arm, then pour alcohol on ur arm, which one is colder. the alcohol will be cause it evaperates faster taking the heat out of the spot its poured on. Run alcohol in a motor and it will run alot cooler then if u run gas. but who knows maybe ur right. i still think its alcohol though

ItalianJoe1

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LOL. That's not proof. Alcohol has a lower boiling point, but also a lower specific density, therefore it takes less heat to make it evaporate. Alcohol takes TONS of fuel to make the same power and has a different burn rate, much slower than gas.

The idea is that you can put a smaller amount of water in the chamber than fuel to take out the excess heat, leaving more room for fuel/air. If you used alcohol, yes it will give more to burn, but you could just leave out the alky/water injecton all together and just use gas. The higher density of water allows more power because there is more air.

northvibe

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dont you need to tune for meth? a kit like this doesnt need tuning that i'm aware of...

ItalianJoe1

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Yes, you should tune for any reasonable amount of meth. You could run a small spray and it would function basically like you were using slightly higher octane, might solve knock problem, but unless you add timing, it won't gain power.

leoaa777

Busting science.

northvibe

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myth busters!

09BlueBaltSS

Wouldnt you gain some power(or not lose any power depending on how u wanna look at it) from lowering the air temp at least even tho ur not tuning for the octane bump?

tomj77

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Alcohol!

ItalianJoe1

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That's what it is. If you're losing power due to reducing timing from knock, then the meth or higher octane fuel will fix that. If you aren't currently suffering from that.

There will be some sort of IAT drop, but it may not be much, depends on how good the system is already.

09BlueBaltSS

Ahh...See I have no knock but I was looking for something to combat this hotter than santans ball sack weather we got down here. I was hoping to drop the intake temp like 20-30 deg

BLAZIN07SS

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then spray nitrous.

stonny9

and if ur that scared of it then just do like a 15-25 shot.