Dyno tuned with synapse stage 3 kit
05-30-2009, 12:54 PM
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Numbers are definitely good... but with all that stuff in the kit, exhaust manifold, bigger turbo, IC, IC piping, CAI and a tune why arent your numbers much higher? Im not trying to be an ass, Im just confused... arent these numbers close to what people are making with a stock turbo with moderate bolt ons and a tune? Granted the hp is up there, but the tq isnt...arent people getting like 340+ wtq on stock turbos? If Im wrong straighten me out please, Im just wondering. Do you still have more tuning to do?
05-30-2009, 01:03 PM
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Yep way too rich. Or the sniffer on the dyno is not accurate. That could be a big reason it is not making as much power as it should. Even at 20 psi breathing through the stock components it should be making way more torque than it did. HP up top above 5500 would definately suffer some because of stock parts though. Torque should be closer to 370-380.
05-31-2009, 11:35 AM
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Yep way too rich. Or the sniffer on the dyno is not accurate. That could be a big reason it is not making as much power as it should. Even at 20 psi breathing through the stock components it should be making way more torque than it did. HP up top above 5500 would definately suffer some because of stock parts though. Torque should be closer to 370-380.
but since I regressed a little too far... Maybe you could up your AFR to over 12 but if you can make good power and run a bit rich, I would go that route and eliminate the worry of burning holes in your pistons
05-31-2009, 11:52 AM
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[QUOTE=SportredSS;3931430]You obviously dont read the whole post he has plus the mods he has........ He needs IC, Charge pipes, CAI and two or so more lbs of boost ... That should be worth 28-34 more whp...
Some guys are getting 330-335whp on stock turbo with no upgrade turbine wheel or anything else.....
Plus, the DI engine likes the heat, it creates a better, more complete fuel burn in DI cars....
Lastly do yourself a favor as many of the kids on this site do not understand... anytime you add more than 70 or more whp to ANY car, you need to increase the size of your fuel pump otherwise you'll have starvation. R\R the fuel pump before you upgrade the DI system.... >> ( which we are all waiting on HPT to free up the Fuel system under the hood)........._
Yes, he might be able to make similar pwr with the stock turbo at 28+ psi and at this rate the turbo will not last at all....[/QUOTE]
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE STOP POSTING>..no you dont need a new fuel pump when you add 70 whp or more to any car... look at this site there are VERY few people that are running different fuel pumps and there are alot of people running 70+ whp over stock..
and no obviously look at some other numbers on the site .. just cuz your tune is shitty and you didn't get 300 whp out with just a tune ... doesn't mean that you need to spin the turbo to rediculous places out of it's efficiency range to get power.. there's someone on here that made 316 whp from just a tune .... at 22 psi or so if i remember... hell add some supporting mods albeit that this car needs .. and you'll have similar numbers Terminator2 on here has the same whp and trq on stock turbo...
and i love how you contradict yourself too .. you way people are getting 330 or so whp on stock turbo.. but then say it'll take 28 psi to make 345 whp on stock turbo LAWLZ..
finally... ZZP with their turbo upgrade has ran everything on full stock.. cept the turbo pgrade and made better numbers yes it's a different turbo i know ..
Some guys are getting 330-335whp on stock turbo with no upgrade turbine wheel or anything else.....
Plus, the DI engine likes the heat, it creates a better, more complete fuel burn in DI cars....
Lastly do yourself a favor as many of the kids on this site do not understand... anytime you add more than 70 or more whp to ANY car, you need to increase the size of your fuel pump otherwise you'll have starvation. R\R the fuel pump before you upgrade the DI system.... >> ( which we are all waiting on HPT to free up the Fuel system under the hood)........._
Yes, he might be able to make similar pwr with the stock turbo at 28+ psi and at this rate the turbo will not last at all....[/QUOTE]
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE STOP POSTING>..no you dont need a new fuel pump when you add 70 whp or more to any car... look at this site there are VERY few people that are running different fuel pumps and there are alot of people running 70+ whp over stock..
and no obviously look at some other numbers on the site .. just cuz your tune is shitty and you didn't get 300 whp out with just a tune ... doesn't mean that you need to spin the turbo to rediculous places out of it's efficiency range to get power.. there's someone on here that made 316 whp from just a tune .... at 22 psi or so if i remember... hell add some supporting mods albeit that this car needs .. and you'll have similar numbers Terminator2 on here has the same whp and trq on stock turbo...
and i love how you contradict yourself too .. you way people are getting 330 or so whp on stock turbo.. but then say it'll take 28 psi to make 345 whp on stock turbo LAWLZ..
finally... ZZP with their turbo upgrade has ran everything on full stock.. cept the turbo pgrade and made better numbers yes it's a different turbo i know ..
05-31-2009, 12:03 PM
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You obviously dont read the whole post he has plus the mods he has........ He needs IC, Charge pipes, CAI and two or so more lbs of boost ... That should be worth 28-34 more whp...
Some guys are getting 330-335whp on stock turbo with no upgrade turbine wheel or anything else.....
Plus, the DI engine likes the heat, it creates a better, more complete fuel burn in DI cars....
Lastly do yourself a favor as many of the kids on this site do not understand... anytime you add more than 70 or more whp to ANY car, you need to increase the size of your fuel pump otherwise you'll have starvation. R\R the fuel pump before you upgrade the DI system.... >> ( which we are all waiting on HPT to free up the Fuel system under the hood)........._
Yes, he might be able to make similar pwr with the stock turbo at 28+ psi and at this rate the turbo will not last at all....
Some guys are getting 330-335whp on stock turbo with no upgrade turbine wheel or anything else.....
Plus, the DI engine likes the heat, it creates a better, more complete fuel burn in DI cars....
Lastly do yourself a favor as many of the kids on this site do not understand... anytime you add more than 70 or more whp to ANY car, you need to increase the size of your fuel pump otherwise you'll have starvation. R\R the fuel pump before you upgrade the DI system.... >> ( which we are all waiting on HPT to free up the Fuel system under the hood)........._
Yes, he might be able to make similar pwr with the stock turbo at 28+ psi and at this rate the turbo will not last at all....
Keep your stupidity to yourself.
05-31-2009, 01:08 PM
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You obviously dont read the whole post he has plus the mods he has........ He needs IC, Charge pipes, CAI and two or so more lbs of boost ... That should be worth 28-34 more whp...
Some guys are getting 330-335whp on stock turbo with no upgrade turbine wheel or anything else.....
Plus, the DI engine likes the heat, it creates a better, more complete fuel burn in DI cars....
Lastly do yourself a favor as many of the kids on this site do not understand... anytime you add more than 70 or more whp to ANY car, you need to increase the size of your fuel pump otherwise you'll have starvation. R\R the fuel pump before you upgrade the DI system.... >> ( which we are all waiting on HPT to free up the Fuel system under the hood)........._
Yes, he might be able to make similar pwr with the stock turbo at 28+ psi and at this rate the turbo will not last at all....
Some guys are getting 330-335whp on stock turbo with no upgrade turbine wheel or anything else.....
Plus, the DI engine likes the heat, it creates a better, more complete fuel burn in DI cars....
Lastly do yourself a favor as many of the kids on this site do not understand... anytime you add more than 70 or more whp to ANY car, you need to increase the size of your fuel pump otherwise you'll have starvation. R\R the fuel pump before you upgrade the DI system.... >> ( which we are all waiting on HPT to free up the Fuel system under the hood)........._
Yes, he might be able to make similar pwr with the stock turbo at 28+ psi and at this rate the turbo will not last at all....
05-31-2009, 01:13 PM
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The 2871R they use has am .86 A/R exhaust housing which will cause the car to spool a lot slower. As for the air/fuel ratios, it looks to me like he is a little lean up top which may be killing power. Not to mention the fact it is a canned tune from a car on the east coast that was placed on a car in a very different climate. The potential is there when he gets his new sensors and dials in the tune a bit.
Personally I wish Synapse would have used the 2871R with the .63 A/R exhaust housing as it would have been a better choice in my opinion.
Personally I wish Synapse would have used the 2871R with the .63 A/R exhaust housing as it would have been a better choice in my opinion.
05-31-2009, 01:17 PM
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Im pushing around 330whp right now and only at 23psi so what the **** you talkin about 28spi?!?!??!
No tuner in their right mind would set a stock turbo to 28psi plus the 2 bar maf sensores wouldnt allow it and if they did that turbo would be gone in a matter of days
No tuner in their right mind would set a stock turbo to 28psi plus the 2 bar maf sensores wouldnt allow it and if they did that turbo would be gone in a matter of days
05-31-2009, 01:26 PM
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lol... sad isnt it?
05-31-2009, 02:23 PM
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Come up to Miltown. My buddy runs a shop R & S sport tuning just west of there. Mainly sets up cars for ITA, NASA, HPDE... but he has a dyno that he tunes his E-Prod car on currently
05-31-2009, 02:27 PM
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HUH?? what you mean by that lol
How far is that from chicago?
How far is that from chicago?
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You obviously dont read the whole post he has plus the mods he has........ He needs IC, Charge pipes, CAI and two or so more lbs of boost ... That should be worth 28-34 more whp...
Some guys are getting 330-335whp on stock turbo with no upgrade turbine wheel or anything else.....
Plus, the DI engine likes the heat, it creates a better, more complete fuel burn in DI cars....
Lastly do yourself a favor as many of the kids on this site do not understand... anytime you add more than 70 or more whp to ANY car, you need to increase the size of your fuel pump otherwise you'll have starvation. R\R the fuel pump before you upgrade the DI system.... >> ( which we are all waiting on HPT to free up the Fuel system under the hood)........._
[B]Yes, he might be able to make similar pwr with the stock turbo at 28+ psi and at this rate the turbo will not last at all
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE STOP POSTING>..no you dont need a new fuel pump when you add 70 whp or more to any car... look at this site there are VERY few people that are running different fuel pumps and there are alot of people running 70+ whp over stock..
and no obviously look at some other numbers on the site .. just cuz your tune is shitty and you didn't get 300 whp out with just a tune ... doesn't mean that you need to spin the turbo to rediculous places out of it's efficiency range to get power.. there's someone on here that made 316 whp from just a tune .... at 22 psi or so if i remember... hell add some supporting mods albeit that this car needs .. and you'll have similar numbers Terminator2 on here has the same whp and trq on stock turbo...
and i love how you contradict yourself too .. you way people are getting 330 or so whp on stock turbo.. but then say it'll take 28 psi to make 345 whp on stock turbo LAWLZ..
finally... ZZP with their turbo upgrade has ran everything on full stock.. cept the turbo pgrade and made better numbers yes it's a different turbo i know ..
Some guys are getting 330-335whp on stock turbo with no upgrade turbine wheel or anything else.....
Plus, the DI engine likes the heat, it creates a better, more complete fuel burn in DI cars....
Lastly do yourself a favor as many of the kids on this site do not understand... anytime you add more than 70 or more whp to ANY car, you need to increase the size of your fuel pump otherwise you'll have starvation. R\R the fuel pump before you upgrade the DI system.... >> ( which we are all waiting on HPT to free up the Fuel system under the hood)........._
[B]Yes, he might be able to make similar pwr with the stock turbo at 28+ psi and at this rate the turbo will not last at all
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE STOP POSTING>..no you dont need a new fuel pump when you add 70 whp or more to any car... look at this site there are VERY few people that are running different fuel pumps and there are alot of people running 70+ whp over stock..
and no obviously look at some other numbers on the site .. just cuz your tune is shitty and you didn't get 300 whp out with just a tune ... doesn't mean that you need to spin the turbo to rediculous places out of it's efficiency range to get power.. there's someone on here that made 316 whp from just a tune .... at 22 psi or so if i remember... hell add some supporting mods albeit that this car needs .. and you'll have similar numbers Terminator2 on here has the same whp and trq on stock turbo...
and i love how you contradict yourself too .. you way people are getting 330 or so whp on stock turbo.. but then say it'll take 28 psi to make 345 whp on stock turbo LAWLZ..
finally... ZZP with their turbo upgrade has ran everything on full stock.. cept the turbo pgrade and made better numbers yes it's a different turbo i know ..
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i found out one problem with the car that might be making the car no run right. I HAVE BLOW BY!! found that out the next day after i dynoed it. so back to stock for warrenty work. i glad i found it now and i glad i always keep stock parts. i might of had it before the turbo swap but dont know.
06-01-2009, 10:47 AM
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i found out one problem with the car that might be making the car no run right. I HAVE BLOW BY!! found that out the next day after i dynoed it. so back to stock for warrenty work. i glad i found it now and i glad i always keep stock parts. i might of had it before the turbo swap but dont know.
