Made contact with Eagle about rods for the 2.0. They are in development and I was told to keep watching the website for release .

 

just rods or pistons and cam shaft also?

 

They dont make pistons or cams

 

why would you need cams? we have vvt? not worth making cams. hopefully they come close to the price of k1 rods.

 

ZZP is working on cams right now.

 

Should be in the $350 range

 

cheap rods are good my carillo rods cost an arm and a leg

 

I got a pretty good deal on mine

 

there are literally hundreds of differant cars over the past decade that has come with vvt and benefited from cam swaps lol. vvt does not make the cam's bigger you can play with the overlap and opening the valves sooner but at the end of the day your still opening the valve for the same duration which on the LNF exhaust side is a measly 194 degrees. The big turbo guys need cams

 

As long as they hold up just as good.

 

i wouldn't say just as good. in the LSx world eagles were good to about 800 horses. you go callies or lunati for up to 1200. and billet rods for >1200. my carillo's look about as beefy as the callies or lunati stuff. you got to cut cost somewhere and eagles stuff is usually about 50% the competition. can you ask about a crankshaft possibly a stroker crankshaft based off the LE5 crank

 

The horsepower isnt what worries me, its the rpms that your able to turn with them. I know the k1 rods are what was going in my car but if these are comparable I may do these instead. I know that btf said the k1's were good to over 800 and 9000rpms or better.

 

I just went and checked out eagles website, I would run these for sure. They are good for 900hp in the 2.2. they will prolly make these a little stronger I would imagine.

 

i must be missing something then....make 442whp cars perfectly fine. the car doesnt need work on the exhaust side...more or so the intake side especially in the ported head region. the only way i see cams being a big benefit is if you start pushing past 600hp...

 

lmao just because you can make 442whp does not mean your car would gain no power from cams. with high performance cams you can possibly make more power at your current boost level or the same power at a lower boost level. You can take any car and put a big enough compressor to push the air into any motor no matter how little it flows what does that prove lmao. Im sure you have tested cams though right. come on man your joking right i mean "i don't need cams because i made 442whp" come on lmao. Nobody knows what cams will do but i gurantee you if they don't add power its not because you make 442whp. Im sure you know that factory cams on any car even ferrari's are a compromise between power vs drivability, gas mileage, and emmisions. Do you really think GM would make it that much harder on itself emmisions wise or drivability wise and also take a mpg hit which will decrease sales all in order to put big enough cams that flow enough air in order to be of absolutely no restriction at 500 hp or higher levels on an engine that was designed for 260 hp. I don't know what GM you know but on every GM engine (and most other non gm engines) I have seen down to the L61 and up to the LS9 every single one has came with a cam that has not been big enough to flow enough air for stock power levels. (assuming the intake and exhaust system have been opened up first) Also if you look at the size of our cams you will see that they are ok for a factory grind but nowhere near the size of aftermarket cams available for other engines. GM's LS9 in the ZR1 can make 700 rwhp on the stock cam and they still make a serious amount of power with a cam change and that's GM's top motor and they still compromised on the cam size. Now I don't know what cams will do exactly because I have not tested them and unless you have tested them in every configuration possible you don't know either. But to say that GM put in a cam set big enough to not be any restriction at power levels up to 600 hp or that we don't need aftermarket cams because of vvt even for those of us with big turbos or that your stock cams are posing no restriction just because you made 442 hp is completely illogical.

 

i understand what your saying and should have explained a little better. they factory grind is just fine for what it is..... but again im not going to fork out thousands for camshaft testing because im happy with my power levels at the moment. so your right yes i shouldnt say you dont need cams because i made this power and i should have worded that differently. i think the main reason no one is even bothering with lnf cams is due to the fact they are mild from the factory with some adjustments in the ecu theres no viable reason to put out a heavier cam. maybe im wrong there but no one will know until someone does testing. like you said gm probablly doesnt put a nice big cam in their cars because of some sort of stupid emission standard they have to meet. thats why theres allthe aftermarket companies out to try improve what gm cannot because of standards they need to meet to turn a profit. the car without a doubt needs a good port to the exhaust side and an even better port to the intake side where it seems to be lacking the most flow. most people with these cars dont even want to upgrade their head or invest any sort of money into them like i have or from what i can sell you have and so forth. without a doubt im sure anyone serious would need some sort of custom grind thats capidible to their setup rather then universal grinds that could like you said limit flow. idk as far as internals go on this motor theres a lot to be learned still but a lot of makers seem to be letting the cobalt go in the aftermarket.

also something to consider. the cars a direct injected car. sure its gotta in take pump but how would the cam pump react with a heavier lobe? to make serious power i think we will eventually need some sort of cam driven pump upgrade aswell(idk if any are out) and some sort of auxillary fueling like a second set of injectors or something. idk i mean ive always wanted to see cams but i think the big hurdle here is the fact that the cars direct injected and any cam makers not wanting to mess with it or maybe its the fact the cars dead now. the lsj cars have cams but not many have really messed with it.

 

Its a numbers game also. There arnt enough of our cars to make it worthwhile for a cam company to do the required R&D .

 

you guys are both right if there is a cam upgraade probably less than 5% of cobalt owners would ever utilize it so it's not a huge incentive for companies to invest. However ZZP stated that they were going to do cam testing next so there going to invest all the money for r&d and we get to reap the benefits. Honestly I don't think anybody is going to change the fuel pump lobe on the cam. We can already push the fuel pump to 2800 psi electronically and personally I'm not going to push it further. What I plan to do when i retire the car to track duty and if there are no direct injection upgrades is a auxillery fuel rail on a sheetmetal manifold with it's own MAP sensor that triggers the fuel to spray preset amounts at various boost pressure points. Also don't forget about meth it's very useful as a fuel source. My corvette runs out of fuel at 5800 rpm it needs the meth to run out to 7000. Porting the head would be great and i think with a set of cams matched to take advantage of the head flow with a big enough compressor that's where the power will be big. improving flow in the runners without improving flow at the valves or vice versa will help but a complete improvement will really help. Don't worry guys it is like this with every domestic sport compact they all follow the same pattern first they come out for a price of 20k+ and they get purchased by mostly people in there early to mid 20's. then nobody really does crazy stuff with them for like 4-5 years mostly bolt on's and a few big turbo kits. then as the 20 somethings sell there cars on the used market they are picked up by teenage buyers who are looking for cheap speed and they mod the hell out of them also along with this most of the cars start coming out of warranty making people more prone to start modifying them. When this happens aftermarket companies start really picking up on the market and prices become alot more competative. thats how srt4's and ss/sc were. Now the downside is that there were litterally 5 times as many SRT4's produced so we wont get as much as them but i'd be happy with a quarter of the stuff they have hell with cams they get to choose between like 12 differant grinds from various companies i'd be happy with 2 or 3. Cam's and a aftermarket ported head will most likily come last because very few people will shell out all that money for minimal gains on the stock turbo. The thing with custom grinds are that they are untested. which could lead to problems. Some companies offer stage 3 or 4 race grinds for other cars that's personally what im interested in

 

yeah i completely understand what your getting at. currently im the only lnf with a sheet metal intake mani. i cant post pics before i get flammed by the mods for non vendor advertising. been toying with the idea of meth. i have the tank and direct ports sitting here. going to do some motor stuff soon so im putting in a legit set of pistons that will be able to take a 80 20 mixture all day long. i think the stock head is totally fine aswell......i mean as car as the head itself goes...some upgraded supertech or ferrea springs and so forth(not the cobalt upgrade stuff because the lnf stuff is already comparible) and a extremely good port job should do the job just fine.....cams might be one thing that will come out but i seriously doubt a head would ever come out for these cars. i have my 25.5 car too but its air to water so no meth on that.

srt community caught the attention of brian crower, crane, and i think comp cams...... 262 272 282 from crower i wanna say 264 and i forget the other grind from them. the problem is the cobalt came out with a pretty by world standards "lame" setup and was definately an underdog where as the srt4 evo and sti were turbo and much better cars from the start. the cobalt definately has caught up but now that production is slammed the doors shut we'l just have to see.

 

you have a sheetmetal manifold? you think they would get pissed if you put up pics and covered the name, and didn't say who made it? what kind of power gains did you see from it? Honestly I wouldn't go direct port meth because there tends to be a pressure drop from the first nozzle to the last and the longer meth stays in the intake tract the more it cools it down. also you don't need specialized pistons to run a high meth mixture I would just run it on the stock stuff. I doubt will ever see a dedicated head casting for the LNF from the likes of afr or something. but i would love to see a company do r&d and flow bench testing on a stock lnf head and then work out a program on a cnc machine that gurantees an X amount of cfm increase and for it to be like a core exvhange program.

 

yeah they got pissed off before...i had it up in my build thread along time ago before they banned my old name on here. no reason was ever stated so i got back on here contacted one of the only legit mods here and had it deleted. im proud of my car and the work we did on it so no i wont cover up the name. its not advertising to me. we are still currently doing testing on it and just driving it around. had a couple of bugs to work out with the original one and we are on a revised one now. so we'll have some results later on. if your serious about wanting some pics pm me.

 

Just to point this out. From what I have read and heard the 2011 Buick Regal with the LDF? is going to come with bigger injectors that would fit the LNF.

It may be just rumor at this point but there have been several different sources. I think they are in the 10-15% larger range. Which should allow us to hit 500-600HP

 

you can hit over 500 with the stock stuff. its already been done. anything over 600 i think definately needs more.

anyways lets quit hijacking this guys thread. back to topic

 

Eagle makes darn good rods and will cover the power needs of 99.999999% of ppl on this board..

I've run them in every race engine i've ever built (small block chevy's), and in 8 years have yet to have one fail (unless something else failed first)..

 

idk eagle rods to me are like blackvette said. they are just ok....they dont compare to some of thebetter companies like lunati, childs and albert, callies/compstar, oliver etc. but your right i highly doubt people are going to need rods to handle more then what k1 and carillo have already provided. its going to be heard to beat the k1 pricing.