What would your first proformance upgrade on your 2008/2009 cobalt SS be and why?

 

depends which route u wanna go... Warranty or not?

 

Synapse 3" downpipe would probably be my first performance mod. First appearance mod will probably be the sport pedals.

 

Without a doubt, the most bang for your buck is our PPC Tuner. Serious power gains across the board, and it takes minutes to install.

We're about to start taking orders...I will announce it very shortly!

 

Has there been any improvements as far as the hp curve with the ppc? I noticed it was a little choppy(you mentioned a boost spike). Also what is the deal with the tune, will there only be one map? if there are more in time how much will it cost to reprogram it? $1000 is a big investment, but its one I may be willing to make with more info and maybe some more results.

Also with the PPC if it is removed to take the car for waranty work, will the ecu show any signs of this increase/decrease of performance? I dont want to get screwed out of my waranty

 

No improvements planned nor neccesary! Refer back to that thread for further elaboration if you like. These programs are very refined, and of course...very quick, with a 13.20 ET to back it up!

One tune, yes. Thousands of maps involved, but one tune.

The sophisticated PPC is worlds ahead of low-tech PCM reflashes where you send the PCM on cross-country tours to the dude with the laptop on his bench. PPC uses an internet server system for file synchronization and updates...right in the comfort of your own home.

Unless you wish to send your PCM back to the dude's bench every time the car is serviced, you best stick with PPC, which allows you to return the car to stock in less than a minute...yourself. Great also for when you want to reduce the power for any opther reason...valets, wives, kids, you name it.

 

ok so I am asking about additional "tunes" if you come out with them. I am assuming that the updates would be free? Or is it going to be a one time deal for one programmer, one tune...$1000?

All I am saying is $1000 for a "tune" with a boost spike and hp drop after the spike and only producing an additional 37 hp as showed by the dyno chart is not acceptable. If the software is so advanced why doesn't it have a smooth power curve? and actually sustain the hp until redline instead of falling off.

I am an experienced tuner, I have been wrenching on turbo cars for 10 years now. I have tuned with AEM and Haltech and just about any piggyback out there so I am by no means a newb. I dont need to know how advanced the software is I need to know how strong the results are. plain and simple.

In regards to the 13.2 congrats, but here's the problem. The factory testing and 1/4 mile times were on a car with fully inflated tires with no burnout and with the launch control on which limited it a lot due to lack of traction. not to mention if it was done on a car with less than 1000 miles on it then it was still in its "green tune"

I am sure that there are plenty of people willing to spend the money for what you offer and I am in no way saying you do not offer a quality product. I am impressed with what you have done and respect your achievements, honestly.


Thanks for your time and sorry for jacking the thread.

 

What thread has this information? Sorry :-/

 

launch control gives a lack of traction? huh?

 

It does spin the tires for a bit.....

 

dp/e

 

uh.....yeah...and what kind of tirespin will you get without it on?

 

If your needs require you to have tuning control over your exploits, then you may be best served by waiting for such an option to present itself for TC. We'd never want someone to buy something that doesn't fit their needs. Now, how long you may be waiting is another subject altogether!

Never fear...as I explained in the thread you refer to, the tuned boost behavior of the car on the dyno is a very different animal, and is not a detriment to the operation of the tune. It's a proven contender!

HP results are much more than you state...but I don't wish to get into a pissing match over that. The results of the product on multiple applications, including this one, bear this out.

The PPC has been an outstanding alternative for hundreds of very satisfied enthusiasts whose needs have been very well served by it. You just may not be one of them

Thanks for the props!

 

I actually dont want control over the tune, But I may want more performance down the road. That is what I am asking about. I dont want to spend the money for this thing if I am going to be stuck with the performance level it currently offers. That would completely negate any idea of further upgrading/modifying.

I just want some peace of mind, a smoother power curve, and hp at redline that doesnt drop from its peak 1500 rpms earlier.... I really don't think that is too much to ask especially with such advanced software and an experienced tuner.

I am sure it would do nothing but improve your sales by doing this or at least explaining this further instead of just telling me that I may want to pursue other avenues... Is that what everyone is going to be told who wants more than you offer?

 

It's hard to say anything on this forum without getting a rude response. Sorry if my replies are annoying you...

What I meant by my statement was that tire spin can be better controlled by not using launch control. HAHN talks about it in his post regarding his drag times with his tuning. Here is the link: https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/2-0l-lnf-performance-tech-153/hahn-debuts-ss-tc-track-120393/

Maybe launch control works better for some people than it does others. I'm not saying that my statements are true or correct. In fact, my statements do not have much knowledge backing them up. I respect HAHN's experience and feel that his opinion regarding the launch control is worth reading. He seems to know a lot more than myself.

Jake

 

The PPC Tuner is compatible with many modifications. As time goes on, we'll develop a full clip of possibilities, just as we've done in its other applications.

As for my perception that you want control...you cited full programmables and your extensive tuning experience, and that's what I had to work with in a response. That's not at all what this product is about, and I do wish to paint the differences clearly in that regard. This is for folks who want a fully-engineered tune from the most expert performance calibrators in the world regarding this engine and management system. This complex new Bosch-built computer in TC is no E37. And it's no Haltech. It's got the best in the business stymied for a solution...after a year of trying, HPTuners clearly states that they are still many months away from offering a tuning alternative. At this point, we have a many-years head start, and that's why this product works so well, and is so popular.

I hate to repeat myself too much, but...the dyno curves we've shown (with complete honesty and full disclosure, which is MUCH more than many of our competitors have the nerve to show!) simply do not represent the real world operation of turbo cars as the turbos come on boost, and especially not one with this aggressive of a turbo and boost curve I can show you plenty of supporting dyno evidence to back this up on other applications. Loading factors on the street and track are considerably different than on the dyno. You need to DRIVE this car to understand...it's not at all peaky, very smooth, and considerably quicker than stock in every measurable method.

It's important to keep in mind that the power at redline is governed by a host of factors, and that while this Tuner is nothing short of miraculous in its capabilities, it can't correct airflow shortcomings on the car's parts themselves. But we certainly will be finding those and correcting them!

My response is not meant to be anything but honest in telling you that if this product doesn't meet your needs, you should not buy it. That's not flippant, that's just straight up, and I am noted for that

If you know this to be a fact, that the magazine cars and GM's test vehicles were underpowered with a 'green' tune, then so be it...I can't contest this. I find that to be unlikely, for if I was putting cars up for testing and public scrutiny, I'd sure bring my best!

What I can say with certainty is that our car was, by all known standards, still in its own 'green' tune also when it went 13.20 first time out. If nothing else, the playing field was thus at least even...well, except for the pilot, the Tuner and the Exhaust

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DYNO SHEET: Remember folks, comparing peak to peak only matters if the engine's RPM never changes. It's the AREA under the curve that truly matters. At the new peak, our car makes over 20% more power than stock...a 50 HP increase!

 

Thanks for the response Bill, I hate to be a pain in the ass about all this. I have another question though, any idea what the afr's were with the new tune? With a 9.2-1 compression ratio I would be concerned about running lean.

I appreciate you taking the time to clear up this stuff and I am sorry for putting you on the spot. I will at some point be interested in this unit unless I go in a different direction.

Just out of curiosity do you have any idea what kind of numbers will be supported by the direct injection?

 

It's all good, and you're welcome! I enjoy questions, as my preferred customers are the ones who do their homework. They are inevitably happier with their purchases!

With the tune, AFR's remain safe in the 11 to 12:1 range. Stock wide band 02 sensors on the car help keep this in focus.

We're a bit tight-lipped on what we've learned about the maximum capacity of the Direct Injection (DI). As we introduce more product, this will become apparent. Suffice to say it's considerably more than the LSJ's stock setup! One thing I can say without reservation is that the DI is considerably more effective in controlling detonation and spark knock, and also adds amazing smoothness to low-RPM operation. It is indeed the wave of the future.