it's a cast and machined wheel, with embedded friction material, grease, and oil. And you're going to tell me that the 2 pounds difference is significant, so significant that you can expect that across all of them?

really?

 

That's funny, because I'm thinking exactly that about your scientific methods here and how you arrived at this weight difference between LNF and LSJ flywheels.

 

Its easy to get fooled.

If I get a chance this week I will use our Intercomp scales off the race car scale platform, with a calibration weight, and run the flywheels we have. No guarantees I will have a chance to do that.

But I will say I use single Intercomp kart racing scale for postal rates, the typical postal scales we tried were not reliable. Kinda like using bathroom scales for weighing race cars... even the grain scale type units we use at the gym are not very reliable if they are not calibrated....FYI.

 

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^^^ ya I made one of those like 5 years ago and have never installed it. Its nicely powdercoated as well. We were having failures on the race cars. But I never had a problem on my weaksos Redline....maybe next engine rebuild I will change it. It is a **** job to change no doubt.

 

I dident want to start a **** storm with the weight differences on the flywheels it was just something I noticed for all we know gm very well could have changed things up

 

This isn't even close to a **** storm, is it?

When it's done, we'll know the answer.

 

no storm just friendly observations.

 

A **** storm is "My supercharger is a carbon fiber RPD"

This is getting it right.

 

I will probably never buy a stage 3

 

Just a sugestion, it is the most popular sold stage. Thanks!

 

I don't understand the "i'm gonna go with a lower capacity clutch" talk. Why would you want to spend time and money on something that will burn out? I'm sorry, but I for one would not want to change my clutch every year. And I don't get the "it's harsh on ur trans" talk either. If you know how to drive your car, your trans will be fine. A more aggressive clutch isn't going to tear through your trans...just my $.02

 

I agree, but each to their own.

 

I don't want chatter. Plus I've had my stock clutch for over 2 years and it's finally giving.

I'll probably end up with a Clutchmaster or ZZP but not KY Stage 3

In addition to that, I rarely hit 397 wtq on a day to day basis. I'm willing to bet I don't go over 200 on my daily drives and the 3-5 runs say once every other month at the track (April to Oct closed rest of the year). Hardly worth dealing with chatter and a possible clutch height issue. The most hard I've been on my car was with CCSS3s endless datalogging sessions.

 

Both the stage 2 and stage 3 use the same 6 puck disc if I read that right. You're likely to get chatter with either of them.

 

Aside from the breakin period, I've personally had zero chatter with my kys3.

 

I just wanted info on the stage 2, I wasn't ready to buy one and I'm still not ready.

I know of one guy that sold his Cobalt because he put a KY Stage 3 in his car. He wanted it to slip more and hated the chatter.

 

That's the problem with this clutch, there's too many inconsistencies. I hear great things and bad things as well. Personally I would rather not take my chances on it.

 

I have the Spec Stage3+ and don't have any chatter. I mean it's an expensive clutch but I don't have the chatter like I did with my KY S3. I agree with you, I could NOT stand the constant chatter that came with the KY. Alot of people say that if it is installed correctly it will not chatter, well James installed mine and it chattered bad. I personally would never buy the clutch again. I mean if you are purely looking for performance then it's not a bad clutch.

 

if the clutch is the weak point and not the tranny, then how does that not make sense?
obviously, we build our cars to race them and test them out. why spend the flippin money on any upgrades if you are gonna drive like a grandma most of the time and never race it.
i am 32 years old and drive mature, but i wanna a fast car so i can DRIVE IT FAST sometimes. And like everyone says, you gotta pay to play, but i sure as hell would rather pay for a $300 clutch than a $2-3000 tranny...and getting a clutch that is that harsh, will do damage to the tranny, and i am sure there are plenty of members on here that have stories about broken trannies after a stage 3 install when getting on it, especially with an aftermarket turbo.thats why zzp is completely sold out and people were begging for more places to have upgraded or even stock trannies.
of course there are members on here that have 500hp and still have the stock clutch and tranny with no problems, but lets just say ive never been that lucky of a guy....lol

ky has a great rep on here, so thats why i would chose any of there clutches, but a 6 puck race clutch isnt my cup of tea, but to each their own. the driveability of a full face is what i am after...and im out...haha

 

Exactly, this is why I won't buy a KY S3! Reviews like yours as well as others complaining about the height of where it engages etc. I just don't wanna take my chances with that clutch.

TTR sorry you didn't like my response, nothing against your business or anything, its just KY S3 will most likely never see my car.

To answer your original question in detail about why I'd want to go lower capacity is because

A) I don't know what I'm talking about and since I don't know, lower = safer to the unwise and I fully own this title with no shame. I have talents elsewhere and this is a back seat hobby for me. I work on my car less than I work on my other hobbies. I enjoy it, but I'm far from an expert. I have some smart opinions and I have stupid ones too, but that comes with being a novice.

B) I don't beat on my car enough to warrant it. I do indeed WOT here and there, but I'd say 50 weeks a year I'm the guy you pass. Though I have 4 tickets this year and yes my fault, but the excuses are good I assure you

and lastly...

It's 2013 and I'm really considering getting more "quality" than performance. The GTI, Regal, and Fukus ST seem like very viable options for me. Quick enough that a tune will be good enough but the ride quality and interior is a step up.

My car is a 2009 Term Tuned 9th rating on the Official Dyno list that gets grannied around. It has 28k miles on it, I don't drive. I don't use this car to it's potential. Sad but true.

So maybe it's time for something peppy that'll still make me smile, but I don't need more than 300whp. I have 350 now and it's not being used.

Waste of money, sure, but I don't regret it. I have fun when I need to and I'm happy.

Keep in mind I speak for myself. Not anyone else, if there's a logical reason why lower capacity is a better way to go, I can assume, but I can't back it up in an argument.

Makes sense to me, but to rebuttal; I've read about stock clutchs, and 3rd gear issues, but I like what you're saying and it makes logical sense to me.

 

funny thing is us turbo LSJ guys are going to the gmpp clutch (lnf pp and clutch) and putting down well into mid 400 hp without slipping. I have a spec 2+ that I am not even going to run now because I bought a gmpp upgrade for the lsj. Its proven and its oem (sachs saab) equipment. They are cheap and they last. Unusual in this day and age.

 

yeah, gmpp was my first choice, but i am gonna run a ky to be the guinea pig....lol

 

because its cheap and because it says stage 3 OMFG STAGE 3.

you know how many times a day i get calls asking for stage packages on things even if theres no "stage" package offered for products. its rediculous.

none the less...... ive ran spec clutch on the cobalts, a lot of the saturn sky/pontiac solstice builds we use the spec stuff as well. we always run the aluminum flywheels with them as well. my spec stage 3+ is probablly the best clutch out for this car and i say it with 100% confidence. great pedal feel, not chattery(it does have a tiny bit here and there but nothing like some other clutches ive delt with), its held 2 different setups and street driving for 30k miles and around a 75 dyno passes on 2 over 400whp setups. i have yet to have single complaints. clutch looks great still sitting next to my desk after all that with plenty of life still left in it.

imho thats where the money should go for a clutch over any of the other ones sold. we even used them in our v8 swap cars until the ls7 clutches became cheaper.