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Old May 18, 2009 | 02:53 PM
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Hahn CAI Problem List

Ok everyone, Hahn wants to see the other instances of people haveing problems with their cold air intake vac hose comeing off. so everyone who has a problem with it, has tried to fix it, or has gone back to stock or diff in take cause of it, write it down in here and ill send em the link, thanks,

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Old May 18, 2009 | 05:44 PM
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The only thing with my car is a random p2187 sometimes. Just don't know if it's from the CAI or the Charge piping and IC. No tune right now.
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Old May 18, 2009 | 06:20 PM
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I throw the typical CEL about once every month for a couple days. Then it goes away for another month.
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Old May 18, 2009 | 06:36 PM
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Yes Ive had problems with running lean at idle, weak breather hose connection. Yes it does pop off
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Old May 18, 2009 | 07:38 PM
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Yes Ive had problems with running lean at idle, weak breather hose connection. Yes it does pop off
same here. i had to grind a washer down so it locks in place w the breather hose
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Old May 18, 2009 | 08:29 PM
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i throw p0101 which is maf sensor alot
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Old May 18, 2009 | 10:04 PM
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My breather hose kept coming off...causing my car to idle rough each time. Never threw a cel, but I think it was because i was lucky. I ended up having to extend the nipple myself with a ss line and some compression fittings since Hahn was no help at all (insisted I had the CAI aligned wrong)...

There is also another guy in my car club that is having the same issues with his breather hose coming off of the nipple...
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Old May 18, 2009 | 10:06 PM
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i throw p0101 which is maf sensor but only after it rains so i think it is a moisture issue
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Old May 18, 2009 | 10:13 PM
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I have contacted Hahn with all my problems. They told me that no one has had these problems but me. I have data logs with up to 20% turbulence in the air flow. P2187 twice, p2096, p0101, and poor cold starts. Sometimes the car will stall out.
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Old May 18, 2009 | 10:33 PM
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I got to tell you guys i always thought hahn was the better choice, i mean they are not a huge comp. like aem ect so i always figured with them it was quality not quantity. i have their charge pipes and IC on my 08. no problems or cel's but i am having a problemwthe one coupler kinking. its the one thats between the eng cross over hot side and the hotside to the IC. i think i justy need to readjust it . anyhow back on topic i was goin to get their intake and bov but i am seriously having second thoght after reading all this stuff. i like the designs of their products so i hope they can get back on track with quality
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ok thanks all for letting them know, ill email them this link, but keep it coming, the more the better, we want a fix.
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Old May 18, 2009 | 10:50 PM
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I have the cool ram intake and it works perfect.
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Old May 18, 2009 | 10:54 PM
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I have had the CAI flaw more than a few times happen. Where the vacuum hose wont stay secure on the intake.
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Old May 18, 2009 | 11:03 PM
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I have the cool ram intake and it works perfect.
only people with the problem please and only people that dont have the first ones they put out since they didnt have this issue.
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Old May 19, 2009 | 01:54 AM
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heres a fix for the vaccuum hose. go to a grocery store and get one of the ties to tie ur bag of chips together. tie it together,.

wala works like a charm

not one code

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Old May 19, 2009 | 09:07 AM
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The thing that I think tomj77 is trying to get across (and I have tried with Hahn as well) is to get Hahn to fix this issue. We shouldn't be spending almost $300 on a part that looks beautiful but doesn't function properly...thereby causing us to come up woth solutions (including zip ties, electrical tape, and compression fittings)....
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Old May 19, 2009 | 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Nakaiya21
The thing that I think tomj77 is trying to get across (and I have tried with Hahn as well) is to get Hahn to fix this issue. We shouldn't be spending almost $300 on a part that looks beautiful but doesn't function properly...thereby causing us to come up woth solutions (including zip ties, electrical tape, and compression fittings)....
The best solution is to remove The stainless line from the valvecover nipple with a fuel line tool (used on Ford fuel filters) and get a 15" or so piece of 3/8" ID heater hose and two hose clamps costs like $5 and will permenently fix the issues you guys are having.
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Old May 19, 2009 | 06:57 PM
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Thanks for the feedback, everyone. The -6 Flare connection was added to this product to make it more versatile, in that it's a universal connection that can be used with any custom breather hose connection to support custom turbo installations or custom breather hose configurations.

I will ask our Tech Support people to contact you individually and address any questions or issues you may have. We've sold hundreds of these without problems, so I am sure we can get you guys happy too!

For future reference, just contact our Tech Support directly for fast and expert service. Use the link in my sig below or in the sticky on our section of this site. Tech Support contact info is also available from our website.

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ok thanks all for letting them know, ill email them this link, but keep it coming, the more the better, we want a fix.
Tom, you seem to have left out that we offered you a fix via email. If you recall, you declined the fix. I can reproduce that email here if you like?

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I got to tell you guys i always thought hahn was the better choice, i mean they are not a huge comp. like aem ect so i always figured with them it was quality not quantity. i have their charge pipes and IC on my 08. no problems or cel's but i am having a problemwthe one coupler kinking. its the one thats between the eng cross over hot side and the hotside to the IC. i think i justy need to readjust it . anyhow back on topic i was goin to get their intake and bov but i am seriously having second thoght after reading all this stuff. i like the designs of their products so i hope they can get back on track with quality
Never fear! We take issues seriously, and with more experience and years in business than all competition combined, we are confident that our quality remains the best you can buy. At least that's what our customers tell us!

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Originally Posted by Hahn Product Info
Thanks for the feedback, everyone. The -6 Flare connection was added to this product to make it more versatile, in that it's a universal connection that can be used with any custom breather hose connection to support custom turbo installations or custom breather hose configurations.

I will ask our Tech Support people to contact you individually and address any questions or issues you may have. We've sold hundreds of these without problems, so I am sure we can get you guys happy too!

For future reference, just contact our Tech Support directly for fast and expert service. Use the link in my sig below or in the sticky on our section of this site. Tech Support contact info is also available from our website.


Tom, you seem to have left out that we offered you a fix via email. If you recall, you declined the fix. I can reproduce that email here if you like?


Never fear! We take issues seriously, and with more experience and years in business than all competition combined, we are confident that our quality remains the best you can buy. At least that's what our customers tell us!
i know u offered me a fix, and i mentioned it on here that u offered to send me a longer tube, but id rather people didnt have to call for a fix when they have the same problem, and i wanted something for the hose to clip onto to make sure it would not happen again, the longer tube didnt seem like a decent fix to the problem. but if it works, then let eveyone know.

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Thanks for the feedback, everyone. The -6 Flare connection was added to this product to make it more versatile, in that it's a universal connection that can be used with any custom breather hose connection to support custom turbo installations or custom breather hose configurations.

I will ask our Tech Support people to contact you individually and address any questions or issues you may have. We've sold hundreds of these without problems, so I am sure we can get you guys happy too!

For future reference, just contact our Tech Support directly for fast and expert service. Use the link in my sig below or in the sticky on our section of this site. Tech Support contact info is also available from our website.


Tom, you seem to have left out that we offered you a fix via email. If you recall, you declined the fix. I can reproduce that email here if you like?


Never fear! We take issues seriously, and with more experience and years in business than all competition combined, we are confident that our quality remains the best you can buy. At least that's what our customers tell us!
I hope ur not upset with me, we all love ur products and want to see u continue to be on top of the game. And we hope u dont mind our feedback on how u can improve ur product so u can stay on top. Awesome support from past experiences and awesome products.


tech support email at hahn for everyone who wants it
tech@turbosystem.com

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Old May 20, 2009 | 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Hahn Product Info
Thanks for the feedback, everyone. The -6 Flare connection was added to this product to make it more versatile, in that it's a universal connection that can be used with any custom breather hose connection to support custom turbo installations or custom breather hose configurations.

I will ask our Tech Support people to contact you individually and address any questions or issues you may have. We've sold hundreds of these without problems, so I am sure we can get you guys happy too!

For future reference, just contact our Tech Support directly for fast and expert service. Use the link in my sig below or in the sticky on our section of this site. Tech Support contact info is also available from our website.


Tom, you seem to have left out that we offered you a fix via email. If you recall, you declined the fix. I can reproduce that email here if you like?


Never fear! We take issues seriously, and with more experience and years in business than all competition combined, we are confident that our quality remains the best you can buy. At least that's what our customers tell us!
That fitting is not of the proper type as it does not have the barb necessary to keep the hose in place. It comes loose as the engine moves and causes a vaccuum leak after the MAF which causes lean codes and power loss. That is the issue everyone is having with Hahn's intake and apparently that isssue has still not been addressed.
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Old May 20, 2009 | 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by homeade
I have contacted Hahn with all my problems. They told me that no one has had these problems but me. I have data logs with up to 20% turbulence in the air flow. P2187 twice, p2096, p0101, and poor cold starts. Sometimes the car will stall out.
It's important to note that in unproven combinations of parts from different sources, custom tuning may be the only way to achieve a CEL-free tune. In instances where CoolRam is combined with tunes and/or parts from other sources, we cannot assure the result. The problem is not any one part or tuning aspect, but instead the unproven combination of all.
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Old May 20, 2009 | 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Hahn Tech Support
It's important to note that in unproven combinations of parts from different sources, custom tuning may be the only way to achieve a CEL-free tune. In instances where CoolRam is combined with tunes and/or parts from other sources, we cannot assure the result. The problem is not any one part or tuning aspect, but instead the unproven combination of all.
Read my post above. Those codes are lean codes and a ton of poeple are getting them not just one person. That intake has issues.
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Old May 20, 2009 | 03:30 PM
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That fitting is not of the proper type as it does not have the barb necessary to keep the hose in place. It comes loose as the engine moves and causes a vaccuum leak after the MAF which causes lean codes and power loss. That is the issue everyone is having with Hahn's intake and apparently that isssue has still not been addressed.
While the fitting we've used here since converting to the more versatile, higher-quality flare connection does not include a rentention lip, such a lip is not required in this application due to the lack of pressure. These quick-release fittings are used in a variety of applications on today's vehicles, but only require positive retention lips when used in pressurized duty, such as fuel or coolant lines. We've used this approach for years in other applications, as have a number of other manufacturers, so it is not unusual. Further, it adds to the versatility of the intake, for it allows a variety of mounting positions not constrained by the single location a retention lip dictates. The internal O-ring on the stock breather hose end that receives this tube allows a floating connection. The rigidity of this stainless braided hose also helps enable this floating feature, as it will retain its position well.

As mentioned earlier, we find this flare connection to be supremely versatile, no matter what one does with the car in the future insofar as hose changes, different turbos, you name it...the -6 AN-type flare we've adopted is a universal connection, whereas the stock quick-connect is not. As mentioned below, this is also a very durable approach.

That being said, we've certainly discovered that the current design has been troublesome for a small number of the hundreds of users this product has gone to. We have some methods we're working with currently, and no one will go unfixed! I've contacted all who have indicated a need in this thread. Thanks to the OP for getting them in touch with us.

As an aside, and I say this without knowing how other vendors are attaching this tube...a tube welded directly to the main 3" intake tube will most likely fail near the weld due to vibration and flexing. This is why we chose a strong threaded fitting to weld to the tube, and a quality method using a flare nut to attach the actual connection tube to that fitting. We've already made changes in production to prevent issues with the hose coming detached, and ill work with anyone in the field who may have any detachment issues.

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Read my post above. Those codes are lean codes and a ton of poeple are getting them not just one person. That intake has issues.
I cannot agree. The instance referred to in this case is indeed a 'mix and match' combination of parts that cannot be certified as compatible by us. We've analyzed the particular case in detail and offered a refund should the intake prove defective upon inspection.

One must keep in mind that this product has been installed in hundreds of instances without issue. We've performed extensive long-term testing on a number of vehicles before going to market, and been pleased with the feedback from hundreds of users once the product went to market. I am confident that, with the few instances of hose retention issues addressed, that we'll continue to enjoy a very satisfied group of users.

I must emphasize that any combination of parts and/or tuning other than what we've tested with may lead to CEL issues. We cannot predict nor protect against every possible combination of our product with other vendors' parts and tunes...the possibilities are mathematically near-endless! But anyone who's had any kind of code is encouraged to contact us for insight and assistance, and I'd prefer to see to those customers' needs via our Tech Support department as opposed to open forum...it just works better for all, and keeps us focused on our customers' needs, whichis the best use of our time.

Thanks to all for the specific feedback! Work with me should you have any questions..we are here for our customers, and very willing to share the most extensive well of Ecotec Turbo knowledge available!

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Originally Posted by Hahn Tech Support
While the fitting we've used here since converting to the more versatile, higher-quality flare connection does not include a rentention lip, such a lip is not required in this application due to the lack of pressure. These quick-release fittings are used in a variety of applications on today's vehicles, but only require positive retention lips when used in pressurized duty, such as fuel or coolant lines. We've used this approach for years in other applications, as have a number of other manufacturers, so it is not unusual. Further, it adds to the versatility of the intake, for it allows a variety of mounting positions not constrained by the single location a retention lip dictates. The internal O-ring on the stock breather hose end that receives this tube allows a floating connection. The rigidity of this stainless braided hose also helps enable this floating feature, as it will retain its position well.

As mentioned earlier, we find this flare connection to be supremely versatile, no matter what one does with the car in the future insofar as hose changes, different turbos, you name it...the -6 AN-type flare we've adopted is a universal connection, whereas the stock quick-connect is not. As mentioned below, this is also a very durable approach.

That being said, we've certainly discovered that the current design has been troublesome for a small number of the hundreds of users this product has gone to. We have some methods we're working with currently, and no one will go unfixed! I've contacted all who have indicated a need in this thread. Thanks to the OP for getting them in touch with us.

As an aside, and I say this without knowing how other vendors are attaching this tube...a tube welded directly to the main 3" intake tube will most likely fail near the weld due to vibration and flexing. This is why we chose a strong threaded fitting to weld to the tube, and a quality method using a flare nut to attach the actual connection tube to that fitting. We've already made changes in production to prevent issues with the hose coming detached, and ill work with anyone in the field who may have any detachment issues.


I cannot agree. The instance referred to in this case is indeed a 'mix and match' combination of parts that cannot be certified as compatible by us. We've analyzed the particular case in detail and offered a refund should the intake prove defective upon inspection.

One must keep in mind that this product has been installed in hundreds of instances without issue. We've performed extensive long-term testing on a number of vehicles before going to market, and been pleased with the feedback from hundreds of users once the product went to market. I am confident that, with the few instances of hose retention issues addressed, that we'll continue to enjoy a very satisfied group of users.

I must emphasize that any combination of parts and/or tuning other than what we've tested with may lead to CEL issues. We cannot predict nor protect against every possible combination of our product with other vendors' parts and tunes...the possibilities are mathematically near-endless! But anyone who's had any kind of code is encouraged to contact us for insight and assistance, and I'd prefer to see to those customers' needs via our Tech Support department as opposed to open forum...it just works better for all, and keeps us focused on our customers' needs, whichis the best use of our time.

Thanks to all for the specific feedback! Work with me should you have any questions..we are here for our customers, and very willing to share the most extensive well of Ecotec Turbo knowledge available!

There is a problem if all these people are having problems. You can deny it all you want but until you add a clip or latch, the problem will be apparent and people will continue to throw CELs like I did for running lean at idle. I took the intake off and went back to stock and BOOM no CELs anymore and I have a Trifecta Tune
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Originally Posted by Hahn Tech Support
While the fitting we've used here since converting to the more versatile, higher-quality flare connection does not include a rentention lip, such a lip is not required in this application due to the lack of pressure. These quick-release fittings are used in a variety of applications on today's vehicles, but only require positive retention lips when used in pressurized duty, such as fuel or coolant lines. We've used this approach for years in other applications, as have a number of other manufacturers, so it is not unusual. Further, it adds to the versatility of the intake, for it allows a variety of mounting positions not constrained by the single location a retention lip dictates. The internal O-ring on the stock breather hose end that receives this tube allows a floating connection. The rigidity of this stainless braided hose also helps enable this floating feature, as it will retain its position well.

As mentioned earlier, we find this flare connection to be supremely versatile, no matter what one does with the car in the future insofar as hose changes, different turbos, you name it...the -6 AN-type flare we've adopted is a universal connection, whereas the stock quick-connect is not. As mentioned below, this is also a very durable approach.

That being said, we've certainly discovered that the current design has been troublesome for a small number of the hundreds of users this product has gone to. We have some methods we're working with currently, and no one will go unfixed! I've contacted all who have indicated a need in this thread. Thanks to the OP for getting them in touch with us.

As an aside, and I say this without knowing how other vendors are attaching this tube...a tube welded directly to the main 3" intake tube will most likely fail near the weld due to vibration and flexing. This is why we chose a strong threaded fitting to weld to the tube, and a quality method using a flare nut to attach the actual connection tube to that fitting. We've already made changes in production to prevent issues with the hose coming detached, and ill work with anyone in the field who may have any detachment issues.


I cannot agree. The instance referred to in this case is indeed a 'mix and match' combination of parts that cannot be certified as compatible by us. We've analyzed the particular case in detail and offered a refund should the intake prove defective upon inspection.

One must keep in mind that this product has been installed in hundreds of instances without issue. We've performed extensive long-term testing on a number of vehicles before going to market, and been pleased with the feedback from hundreds of users once the product went to market. I am confident that, with the few instances of hose retention issues addressed, that we'll continue to enjoy a very satisfied group of users.

I must emphasize that any combination of parts and/or tuning other than what we've tested with may lead to CEL issues. We cannot predict nor protect against every possible combination of our product with other vendors' parts and tunes...the possibilities are mathematically near-endless! But anyone who's had any kind of code is encouraged to contact us for insight and assistance, and I'd prefer to see to those customers' needs via our Tech Support department as opposed to open forum...it just works better for all, and keeps us focused on our customers' needs, whichis the best use of our time.

Thanks to all for the specific feedback! Work with me should you have any questions..we are here for our customers, and very willing to share the most extensive well of Ecotec Turbo knowledge available!
All I hear is lip service and I for one am extremely glad I did not get the Coolram intake. Those CELS are due to a leak at the breather junction on the intake. The nipple is smooth and does not lock on like the stock fitting that is the issue. Those lean codes dont occur with the stock airbox but happen with the intake on stock tune so it is not the tune causing the issue in that case.
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