Actually Pacesetter Cobalt SS SC Header IS CARB legal in all 50 states.

If you wish to check it out for your self please do so....

www.arb.ca.gov
D-439-7 (that is the CARB number from pacesetter for the LSJ header)

Check out this PDF file which shows that the SLJ header from Pacesetter IS CARB legal.

http://arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermkt/de...eo/D-439-7.pdf

Enjoy

Read above please ^^^^^^^ then re-think your statement

-Karo

 

Karo, you are 100% correct, I was talking with Eric Rembolt at Pacesetter a while back, the CARB tag is not welded on the actual header, but IS avaliable upon request as a "sticker"

I was to quick to type I guess, thinking no tag, no CARB. But again, after you stated that I forgot it was legal

Thanks again!

 

if you are going to be swapping the down pipes alot , you might want to think about putting some high temp anti seize on the bolts or nuts , just so they come off a little easier when its time

LOL @ karo and aaron

 

Just installed mine yesterday and it already threw a code...

 

It sounds good.. check my post on the third page of the synapse thread. ill try and get a vid.

 

FTL!

 

sooo...? it might throw codes but its not gonna make ur car not perform right, or at least i dont think so...

 

it should put you in reduced power mode (lowest emissions) for EPA/OBD compliance

 

Its not reducing power I was just told that it would not throw a code by synapse. I'm probably going to end up selling it

 

hmm, thats surprising that it doesn't change over to a different tune, I thought they had to have something like that in place

 

Didnt they test it to confirm, the O2 sensor was in the right location, and the A/F ratios did well?

 

So much for the built-in CEL eliminator...

 

whaaa? can u either say that in spanish or explain in detail for me please? lol thanx, my english isnt that perfect

if i misunderstand, orry please correct me politley, but it would make the car weaker?

 

Well apparently M1kl0 the car isn't de-rating itself as others have said, but I know for diesels we have to de-rate (go into reduced power mode) the tune if there are certain types of emissions related failures (catalyst, dust filter) in an attempt to make the vehicle pollute as little as possible until its fixed. I just assumed that it would do the same in the Cobalt SS as I didn't think the EPA/OBD (on-board diagnostic) rules for gasoline were different than those of diesel.

 

wow where is steddy2112 when you need him? i was right on it throwing a code. and even if it didnt throw a code it is still ILLEGAL. I dont care if you pay for a sticker or you know a guy or what. When it comes down to it its still ILLEGAL. So although i may have been wrong about it throwing a code (i guess i wasnt) im still 100% right in saying that if you have a catless exhaust (downpipe included) it is ILLEGAL. You can look up the law. It is a federal offense to not have a catalytic converter on a car if it is newer than like 1995 i think. anyways, im right steddy. So all in all, you may be able to get away with it, but you cant tell other ppl it is perfectly fine. They need to know what they are getting themselves into so when they go to get inspected and get rejected, they dont panic and wonder why and then flip out on the vendors or anyone else for that matter.

 

Reston is def. correct, taking off, modifying, or pretty much touching the cats, O2 sensors, or any other emission related controls is illegal.

In states w/o emissions though its not enforced and states where its checked it can be worked around, but still illegal and you can get in trouble if you get caught.

 

Since the DP are throwing an o2 code on most that have been ordered, we are going to send all those who have already purchased one of our downpipes and those who do in the future with an o2 simulator in the kit.

I hope this helps everyone out, its a great part as far as sound, and performance and we would all like to see everyone as happy as possible with our products.

Thanks everyone for their understanding and patience,

Synapse Motorsport inc.

P.s. The car's afr stays exactly the same with or without the DP, we have over 500 dyno runs on our car, and after 100 miles with our Downpipe in the same location ours has not thrown a code. Regardless we are here to help out with tech and support as much as we can.

Yestarday we were on the dyno for about 2 hours working with the new HPtuners software and have found out alot about the car and whats capable. I will post up some results soon...

 

Alittle OT, but I can guarantee that 80% of cars on the roads with aftermarket exhaust dont have cats. I didnt have cats on my 01 Mustang GT and I dont have any cats on my 05 GT. And trust me, its cheaper to go that route, LOL.

 

Just want to let every one know IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO VOID YOUR WARRANTY!!! period. Moss-Magnusson Warranty Act. You can bet the dealer will not cover those things that you mod and if the mod broke them, but only those parts, nothing more. I know I've been doing service for over 18 years. You can get a light tune on your car, in fact most cars come from the factory with a low state of tune for EPA reasons among others. TM > torque management has been dialed back. This new SS\T really makes about 275 bhp and 275+btq with a good full tune\ 70% of TM taken out. I've also been told the Airintake on the car is really good stock, good till about 330 bhp, so no need to put a CAI on if and when they come out.

 

Yes, all new cars from model year 2008 and later use CAN bus communications, however this has nothing to do with the OBDII equipment. CAN bus communicates between "nodes" such as your door switches, traction control, ECU, etc etc etc (basically everything) at different speeds, anyway too complex to go into in a post here. But the OBDII system is another beast that works with the CAN bus communications, but is separate.

Exactly, even in states without emissions inspections/testing it is still illegal to modify or tamper with any of the stock emissions equipment.

Sure, the act is supposed to protect us, and I'm glad you work for a dealership that does business like it should, but all a shady dealer has to do is say a part was the cause of the failure, then the dollars are out of your pocket to take them to court to prove that your part did not cause the failure. Good luck against a good lawyer there. Now in reality unless your car is highly modified or you are a pain in the ass most dealers could care less.

 

ya its illegal but i could care less

street racing is definatley illegal and we have people here on the forums that do it.

but eh, if i get caught i get caught. but i had catless before on other cars before and never got caught so ill take my chances