i guess you haven't really read the MMWA, I know it by heart, I worked for the second largest law firm in US, who in fact had co-written most of the bill, which congress passed into law.. just food for thought.

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So saying - It is 100% NOT for putting aftermarket intake systems, exhausts, intercoolers, etc. onto your car. are you sure?

just so you know - Fran oil filter is aftermarket, Hawk brake pads is aftermarket, Hahn intercooler is aftermarket, ZZP turbo is aftermartket..

food for thought - changing the brake pads to another manufacture, other than oem is modifying.. i can tell you over 1k court cases and claims regarding MMWA, so modifying any part on your car/truck is covered under MMWA.. "modifying = aftermarket"

 

lol my car shows more then a degree of knock on stock tune or otherwise, on wot it doesnt at all though, just on light boost. both in +20 and -20, and how will running higher octane fuel make ur car run that much richer? then everyone going from normal gas to e85 would have problems.

 

ZING Thanks for the extra insight on this.

 

Ar le ur ltft and stft both +20 to -20 or r u talkin somethin else?

And sweetsandman isnt saying the higher octane will make u run richer, hes talkin bout the meth.

 

I like how you blatantly overlooked where I said maintenance parts versus performance parts. You are comparing Hawk brake pads and an oil filter to Turbo swaps and upgraded intercoolers? I don't care what law firm you worked at...those are in no way on the same level of aftermarket parts.

Food for though: I can assure you that GM and its hundreds of engineers will be able to find the slightest reason to blame your AEM intake, for example, for a blown piston or a shattered lifter or whatever the case may be and you as a consumer will have no way of disproving that without spending thousand upon thousands of dollars to pay someone to research and not to mention court and lawyer costs. So, with that, for any fool that thinks the MMWA is going to save your butt when you enhance the performance of your car and GM decides that they don't want to cover your damaged drivetrain...all I say is...you're in for a long ride with a shitty end...kinda like Avatar.

 

talking about intake temps

 

IAT2s are what will really throw things off the most...but running rich as heck from the Meth certainly doesn't help the situation

 

LOL, The sunfire i sold 3 years ago and now have a HHR SS Turbo.

So your pretty much saying i am lying about the motor being on 26psi at peak and holding 24psi because yours doesn't?

 

are u guys seriously only getting 17whp tuning for meth? dyno guy around here says u can do 70+hp more on meth, and other places iv seen numbers with and without meth like 70+hp

 

With our baby turbo u aint gonna see anywhere near 70 hp lol

 

Yeah we won't see nearly as much help from meth as the SC guys do. I could see running maybe 20-21 degrees up top with meth? And running maybe a .91 lambda? Eh...could be worth trying.

 

It's more than 17 whp. .91 Lambda, ridiculous timing and lowered egt's are a+.

You do understand you can do [if you dont care too much about the longevity of your turbo] a dual injection point setup. One small fine nozzle pre-turbo and then your main pre-tb. With a high quality nozzle and a maxed out 250psi pump you can shift your entire compressor map around for delicious results.

 

Just like anything in this world too much is a bad thing. If your going to run the extremely large nozzle to have something like that happen then you have it coming. If people follow my advise and use common sense when selecting nozzle sizes this is not an issue. Its always best to run to small of a nozzle than to big.

Not running methanol injection can cause damage to these motors. With a properly setup system the raise in octane is actually very min. the decrease in inlet air temps reduces the need for octane that the engine requires. This is what makes methanol injection increase the reliability of a motor.

Honesty turbo ed apps to to make more power with methanol injection. Most supercharged apps don't allow for us to put the nozzles in the optom spot. After the heat source. Or they are so close to the intake we don't' have the the time for the mixture to absorb. So we have to run smaller nozzles on them.

Example. both 400hp setups gen 2 3.8L that are turbocharged we usually run do14 on them. and on the gen3 3.8l with the eaton 90 we will run a do5. Night and day power increase with the gen 2 over the gen 3

I am personal not a big fan of pre turbo injection. If anyone does it i dont' recommend anything over a do2 nozzle. Yes you can shift the compressor map but the big gain from it is your are able to start cooling the heat right at the source. but the down side is you can tear up a turbo if not done properly.

 

If I get this nw job sometime soon, Ill try the meth out on my car and let u know how it works Pete. Im hoping to be done with my car by the end of the summer.

 

The difference is absolutely astonishing, the car is a completely different beast. Especially for people that are running extremely aggressive tunes on our weenie little stock turbos. Not only that, but my turbo doesn't glow like a bright ball of molten lava after a couple of runs, which is also a +. Bad for turbo? Probably. Great for power? Definitely.

 

For the first part I understand completely about making sure you are not injecting too much and selecting the correct nozzle. My only concern is that, if you've ever tried to tune an LNF, you would understand that they are VERY sensitive...I mean absurdly sensitive when it comes to modifying and it just worries me that with enrichment like that and IAT2's going that low...I suspect fuel trims will be wwwwaaaaayyy off...and these motors are very susceptible to knock when they are off by even a couple percent.

The second part honestly surprises me a lot...I would think that with the excessive amount of heat soak that the SC guys suffer from that it would benefit them exponentially (although I don't know how our setups compare to those 3.8 setups). I know our IATs don't get nearly as high as the SC guys see but maybe I'll have to run some meth and do some testing on the dyno in the fall.

Good deal! maybe if we do another dyno day I'll get a kit and hook it up really quick to see how much extra power we can ring out

PS....what do you mean "done with your car"?

 

Done modifying it. I only have a few more bolt ons then Im done putting money into it lol

 

Another reason for spraying pre-turbo. That's on my solstice after a couple hard pulls.

http://www.hardkore.org/fuckmylife.jpg

 

Don't get me wrong about pre turbo injection. yes it really can make a huge decrease in temps. Just care needs to be done when setting eveything up. People need to avoid cheap pumps the 60psi diy style pump will not cut it. It's vital to get small droplets so you don't distort the turbo. Another things is to keep from damaging the wheel is you have to start spraying on it before its already red hot.

yes supercharged apps do heat soak pretty bad. But since most of the time we are spraying threw the blower we are limited by the amount of fluid we can get threw because most blower can only move x amount of air per rev. Porting them, pulling them does not adjust this.