anyone make any decent gains with progressive methanol injection kit and tuning?

 

Some of the solstice forum members are using the AEM kit for some good powergains.

 

thats good to hear it works on our cars wasnt so good on my other cars thanks

 

18whp.

btw Just saw that you have a tc and mine was on my s.c so I dunno for you. lol

 

Absolutely. Typical gains when tuned for are 15-20 horsepower. Just as important if not more is the added engine safety it adds protecting your motor from detonation. Think of it as octane and additional cooling on demand.

if you have any questions feel free to call us directly or email us at info@alcoholinjectionsystems.com

Right now we have a special on both trunk and fender mount systems. Our trunk mount systems are $329.99 while our fender mount kits are starting at $199.99.

Rodney

 

yea i was looking at the stage 2 fender mount, is it better to run a single line before the turbo or or dual line one before turbo and one before throttle body?

 

im also interested in this. but dont knw much about this

 

i know inject before the turbo and it will make it more efficient and safer since it cools it off, and before the throttle body allows all the cylinders to run way cooler but im not so sure if both together is good for our cars. and the best cooling and octane boost is with 50/50 alcohol water mix but thats my extent so obviously no pro haha

 

will it work as well with our throttle body being upside down? will the boost still push it all in?

 

Absolutely. Even though the throttle body is pointing down it will still work the same. Also, because of the intake design a lot of SS Turbo Cobalt owners have asked about doing direct port injection. It's not worth it. Having done a few direct port injection systems on other vehicles they didn't show any better gains over running nozzle(s) before the throttle body. Not to mention all the added cost involved with running the extra nozzle assemblies and fittings all for nothing.

Rodney

 

very nice to know i wont waste time with extra injectors doing direct inject

 

Fortunately for use. We have done a lot of work, testing and comparisons using pre-compressor and pre-throttle body injection and found doing both ultimately made the best results every time vs just doing pre-throttle body injection.

As for 50/50 water methanol vs pure meth. There's no question pure methanol works better. This is a topic which has been argued too many times. No matter how many people will think 50/50 will work better and that water is a better cooling medium. There flat out mistaken. With pure methanol we can reduce intake air temps better then 50/50. Additionally, with pure methanol we have greater knock control with it. If you just look at the amount of timing possible with 50/50 and then pure meth you would easily see this.

However, not everyone needs it or requires it. For most of our customers with street cars all they need is a 50/50 mix. Unless they have a highly modified

Let me know if you have any other questions or how I can help.

Rodney

One nozzle before the turbo and one nozzle before the throttle body with the option of running two nozzles before the throttle body for increased atomization as this is what is going to hit the cylinders.

Let me know if you have any other questions.

Rodney

 

OK...... I have the AEM 50/50 kit on mine..........First off, before I put it on I ran it on a dyno, got 243whp and 262ft lbs......also #3 cylinder has a misfire.....that was due to bad plugs......so I put the stockers back in and ran 258whp and 263 ft lbs.......Now I was happy enough to go ahead and install the water/meth. I didn't get a chance to get any dyno runs with it but i got it tuned and I noticed a hell of a lot more throttle in her. No boost gains at all though.....no big deal, meth is not going to give you more boost as mentioned above in a previous post. Fact is, it cools your intake charge a little....alowing the air to expand and the meth gives a little pyro to the cumbustion.......i might right or wrong but I did notice a hell of a lot more throttle and she would chirp into 3rd............................................... ...............................................
No the downfall.......not only is a gallon of the **** $10 (u.s.) the water in the mixture can and will corrode your throttle body (much like old batteries when they leak gasses and it corrodes your terminals)..........this also deppends on how much you run the meth. A whole gallon with give you a good 15 1/4 mile runs depending on the typ of nozzle you use. I went through 2 gallons of and then heard about the throttle body corrosion. I got underneath my car, pulled the intake pipe off and almost **** myself. So if you run this stuff, about every 7 o 8 runs or about half a gallon used, CLEAN YOUR INTAKE!!!

hope this helps you future meth users, lol

Oh. make you sure you get a proper tune!!!!! IF will make your ECM go haywire.......it happend to me, trial and error??? lol

 

sorry but i dont do drugs haha just had to add that. but its seems like a pain in the ass. i just want something to install and be done with. if i got this setup i would do as mentioned before one before the turbo and one before the throttle body but it would corrode my impeller and throttle body well thats no good. stuff like that would make me not want to buy meth/water injection

 

Wow,that seems like alot of fluid use.Is'nt there a way to set up when it sprays according to boost?I would think a gallon should go a long ways.Can't you use windshield wiper fluid to cut on cost as well?I have heard certain cheap brands at wal-mart work fine..

 

I have never heard using "winshield wiper fluid" vs. water/meth.......Now I have heard of people using the windshield wiper fluid resivour(or how ever you spell it) as a holding tank as a tank for their meth injt.
Most people dont use as much meth as I did.......its a great mod and yes is requires a little bit of maintaining.....its worth it though.
As for puting a nozzle in front of your turbo.....I don't think thats suck a good idea......You have to remember...a turbo gets hot as hell......even the intake side of it.....its running straight off the exhaust and in our set up there is really no room between the turbo and the head........example.....after running your car hard, pop the hood and look at the turbo, bet you that thing is red ******* hot......and dont turn your engine off when you do this because you risk oil boiling and clotting up in your turbo which can lead to it locking up and you can run the risk of damaging the bearing in it.......so anyways.........dont run cheap **** that is not meant for the water meth stuff......use the real 50/50 or you can if you want run the straight meth.........either is fine......

Also, if you can get your hands on some racing alcohol, add a little, but make sure your car is tuned properly for it.......thats almost like running a huge shot of nitrous........ basically, don't do it...lol

Snow performance makes a water/meth kit for the lsj......You can try that, it will be a little more user friendly for our car, that is if you like the price and I almost got it for $438.99.....I paid 380 for my AEM universal kit.....which comes with a 1 gallon tank, 250 psi pusher pump(mount the tank above the pump or you will need a puller pump to with it), roughly 6 feet of hose, 3 nozzles for different applications which they go off horse power, regulator module,vacume hose, and an led indicator light.............the only difference between the kit is that AEM has 3 nozzle (ie...universal) and the Snow performance kit for the lsj has one....another difference is that the AEM kit module reads vacume pressure(basically you just take the 3 way slice hose thingy and splice into a vacume hose on your engine), so it knows how much pressure youe engine is making and rpms, which you can set it for both........Set it engage at 1500 rpm or set it for 5500 rpm.......2500 rpm is a good rpm to start, also you can set it run at a certian psi................................now the Snow performance reads your MAF.........it will hook to the yellow wire coming from the MAF........either brand works well......

Yes, its all confusing....it wouldn't be is someone else wrote it other than me

 

I have been using a pieced together kit from aquamist and devils own.... and I picked up quite abit of power from it... it's all in the tuning with it though....

Plus lower IAT2* which is always a plus!

 

corrosion on my throttle body thats what im worried about.

 

I have no corrosion on mine! it just has a nice slight blushish tint to it now

 

are you using you washer resivour and how long do you have to refill it?

 

Thanks for the info.Certain brands of washer fluid contain a good mix already of methanol and water and can be alot cheaper than the "special order" stuff.I need to learn more about the lubricated parts of a turbo and the long term effects(say 100 k miles) of something corrosive such as methanol.

 

clean it regularly and you can do no wrong

 

Same here .. Untill they come out with a kit that is for the lnf I won;t be putting it on

 

Corrosion on the throttle body? We haven't scene any issues with this at all in the two years we have been selling systems. No just on the Cobalt but any of the applications we deal with. This would certainly be a apparent problem had it been occurring. Particularly on turbocharged and supercharged carbureted blow through applications in which the water methanol injection is always before the carburetor. Just ask some of the many Cobalt members on here and they will confirm this.

Also, if you look at the rate and intervals at which our users are actually spraying the water methanol fluid, its for very short periods of time and only when the user is in boost. The majority of the time the engine is running there is no water methanol injection spraying and any moisture (from the water) left over on the throttle body blades and housing from a prior quick spurt/injection will be completely evaporated shortly after with just normal driving. I suppose if you had the water methanol injection flowing non-stop anytime the engine was running you would have this occur. Put that isn't the case.

Also, its very common for water methanol injection users to use windshield wiper fluid with their systems.

meth is not going to give you more boost as mentioned above in a previous post. Fact is, it cools your intake charge a little....alowing the air to expand and the meth gives a little pyro to the cumbustion

We have to respond to this when someone says were completely wrong in the information we post. Apparently, we must be making this stuff up when we say it will increase boost with pre-turbocharger/supercharger injection. What you have to relize is that with turbocharged applications often times the user will not relize a boost increase due to a boost controller which is regulating boost. Any increases made are cancelled out by the boost controller. Depending on the type of boost controller used you may not relize a boost increase.

With our belt driven centrifugal like the ProCharger and Vortech units it's quite common to pick up 2-3 psi. We've also made gains of nearly 5 psi. We must be seeing things.

Fact is, it cools your intake charge a little....alowing the air to expand and the meth gives a little pyro to the cumbustion

Fact is, when using pre-compressor injection we can reduce discharge temperatures on turbo applications between 100-150 degree's on average depending on the type of mixture used and the jetting. This is a substantial temperature drop.

As for post intercooler injection only. Certainly the temperature drops are not as dramatic since the intercooler is already removing a portion of the heat from the air charge. Also, depending on how cold or hot the ambient temperature is has a lot to do with it as well. When in really cold weather, such as high 30-40 degrees, air to air intercoolers work extremely well with temperatures peaking between 10-20 degree's above ambient with 10-15 psi systems . Yet on hot days, 80-90's, that same set up will see temps between 50-80 degree's above ambient. Add water methanol injection and you can generally completely reduce all this additional heat and in many cases we've actually brought temperatures down 5-10 degree's below ambient.

As for the water methanol injection allowing the air to expand it's actually quite the opposite. In the cylinder as the air fuel charge is being burnt you will get a greater expansion of these gases but i don't think that was what you meant.

A whole gallon with give you a good 15 1/4 mile runs depending on the typ of nozzle you use. I went through 2 gallons of and then heard about the throttle body corrosion. I got underneath my car, pulled the intake pipe off and almost **** myself. So if you run this stuff, about every 7 o 8 runs or about half a gallon used, CLEAN YOUR INTAKE!!!

With a 6 GPH nozzle you will be able to make between 35-40 13-15 second 1/4 mile passes.

With a 3 GPH nozzle you can double the number os passes.

 

I stand corrected.......I was just going off what AEM informed me of.......But I do know that I have a corrosion problem with my throttle body. I know its the water/meth because when I pulled the intake pipe off I saw no problems......I then heard about the corrosion problem....so I check and sure enough it was corroded..... Different systems have different effects, and that also determines what type of engine and setup you have running...

Oh, and no where did anyone including myself say that you were wrong.....just stating my knowledge and the info that I have learned.....so don't go getting your panties all in a wad