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Old Jan 10, 2013 | 10:15 AM
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Please help car is dieing!!!!!

Ok so here is my problem. i have an 09 cobat ss turbo. mods al hahn 3 inch cat back exhause down pipes and intake gms1 kit.
nw my problems. its been having prblems ever sense i did these mods to it but they were never so bad as now. so yesterday car started acting funny. constintly backfiring at idle and while acceleraating and decel and shifting. then for some reason the car was stuck at 2000 rpm even at a dead stop the car wouldnt go any lower?
nw today i start the car up and it is haveing a super hard time even holding from 500 to maybe 800 rpm. constintly going up and down at idle. at a cold start even if the clucth was pushed down car wasnt able to stay alive would keep killing itself. after it warmed up it stopped deing but all other problems stayed. horrible backfiring weird smell to it. and can berly idle high enough to keep te car alive. im racking mybrain trying to hink of whats wrong. need help. im going to take it in saturday and yell at the dealer and tell them to fix it and to not give me the bull **** excuss well you now have a metle pipe instead of a plastic pipe take it to installer and fix it. well i instaled them. so does me no good. but i need help if anyone has had these problems or can think of an ideal of whats wrong please tell
oh and engine codes? **** tonshave been popping up as you can expect. but i cant remember off the top of my head what they were
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Old Jan 10, 2013 | 11:07 AM
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Start with listing codes and looking for leaks.
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Old Jan 10, 2013 | 11:09 AM
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Running into the dealer and yelling at them before they even look at your car isn't a very good way to get anything positive accomplished.
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Old Jan 10, 2013 | 11:12 AM
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Start with listing ur codes. Ur dealer sounds like a dick who doesn't wanna bother with it so list the codes and we can help u fix it. In guessing boost leaks and possibly gms1 installed wrong
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Old Jan 10, 2013 | 11:13 AM
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codes...common ones like 101 106 i think 236 missfire codes low idle codes running lean codes i think a 187 or 186 popped up once i think the one last night was a 520 something being wrong with the rev or idle absoult manifold boot pressure i think thats the 236 code o2 code witch i think is the 101 code bunch of other stupid things are popping up but cant remember them. is there anyway my spark plus ould be going bad?
maybe i have a leak in the pipes but if i did it would have been there for a long time as in years cuz i have been having these problems for 2 years just till today it got th extreme.
i kow my pipes arnt loose i had everything tigtened.
im starting to regret modding it. changing the spot where the stock o2 and maf sensor was at and the car freaks the **** out. this is bulshit
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Old Jan 10, 2013 | 11:15 AM
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cant be the gms1 i had it checked twice and even reflashed to make sure it was installed correctly. and reason i would go yelling it cuz its like a weekly thing i bring it in they throw some bullshit exxcuss we cant do anything were not familiar with a metal pipe being on a car acting like dumbies
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Old Jan 10, 2013 | 03:18 PM
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cant be the gms1 i had it checked twice and even reflashed to make sure it was installed correctly. and reason i would go yelling it cuz its like a weekly thing i bring it in they throw some bullshit exxcuss we cant do anything were not familiar with a metal pipe being on a car acting like dumbies
He isn't talking about the GMS1 program, he is talking about the 3 bar GMS1 sensors begin installed incorrectly. That would explain when you're getting a MAP code. Take out one of your MAP sensors and tell me what color the o-ring is. I'll bet you 10 dollars it's blue. If it is, you have the wrong o-ring on there and it's causing a leak.

PS - it's "dying, not "dieing."
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Old Jan 10, 2013 | 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by SSlobalt
He isn't talking about the GMS1 program, he is talking about the 3 bar GMS1 sensors begin installed incorrectly. That would explain when you're getting a MAP code. Take out one of your MAP sensors and tell me what color the o-ring is. I'll bet you 10 dollars it's blue. If it is, you have the wrong o-ring on there and it's causing a leak.

PS - it's "dying, not "dieing."
What color should it be? And does this only apply to gms1?
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Old Jan 10, 2013 | 03:47 PM
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The GMS1 sensors should have a black O-ring.
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Old Jan 10, 2013 | 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by SSlobalt
He isn't talking about the GMS1 program, he is talking about the 3 bar GMS1 sensors begin installed incorrectly. That would explain when you're getting a MAP code. Take out one of your MAP sensors and tell me what color the o-ring is. I'll bet you 10 dollars it's blue. If it is, you have the wrong o-ring on there and it's causing a leak.

PS - it's "dying, not "dieing."
A lot of spelling errors in that.
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Old Jan 10, 2013 | 06:16 PM
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That many misfires could be the injector seals. One or more could be gone and thus compression in the cylinder is being pushed passed the injector...hell, combustion could be making it out of there too...just a thought for something to look into.
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Old Jan 10, 2013 | 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Sox-Fan
The GMS1 sensors should have a black O-ring.
i thought when you get the GMS1 sensors,the O-rings that come with the sensors are blue,and are wrong. they need to be green i think.

i forget which color are the correct ones.
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Old Jan 10, 2013 | 06:18 PM
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^^ that's a good catch. Are you running e? Or a hell of a lot of boost?
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Old Jan 10, 2013 | 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by 09TcSedan
i thought when you get the GMS1 sensors,the O-rings that come with the sensors are blue,and are wrong. they need to be green i think.

i forget which color are the correct ones.
Mine are black. I bought them from Joe Schulte, who put the right ones in for me. I don't know what color they come with. My spare one that he was nice enough to include for me is also black. That's all I know.
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Old Jan 10, 2013 | 06:21 PM
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i got ya. i put my GMS1 sensors in the beginning of last summer,they must have changed O-rings or something,i know i had a spare set of O-rings when i was done lol
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Old Jan 10, 2013 | 06:28 PM
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check the passenger side of the intercooler end tank.
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Old Jan 10, 2013 | 08:09 PM
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Obvious vacuum leak is obvious.
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Old Jan 10, 2013 | 08:48 PM
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check the passenger side of the intercooler end tank.
I was thinking the same thing. Car is probably running pig rich from a massive leak.
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Old Jan 11, 2013 | 07:39 AM
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Im gonna throw this out there. Switch the HAHN intake back to the stock intake, reset the ECU and see if the problem goes away.
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Old Jan 11, 2013 | 09:33 AM
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236 is for lower MAP sensor. Mine was coming unplugged and causing that code.

My bet is on a boost leak. Good luck OP, clear your head and take a smart, straight forward approach and give us as much info as possible. We will help.
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Old Jan 11, 2013 | 10:31 AM
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Why u mad at dealer? U installed the parts and have had problems for two years because of it. Now that the problems are worse why should dealer fix it? Either troubleshoot it yourself or take off the aftermarket parts and let the dealer fix it.
Lots of good info posted on where to look. The only other thing I might take a look at is to make sure that if your gms1 doesn't have the plug and play harness that they soldered the gms1 connectors rather than just using the crimp ons. Bad things can happen as those connections deteriorate due to vibration and weather. The idiot at gm who signed off on using crimps should be shot.

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Old Jan 11, 2013 | 11:00 AM
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Im gonna throw this out there. Switch the HAHN intake back to the stock intake, reset the ECU and see if the problem goes away.
seriously. The gms1 tune will not run intakes like magic. Intake should be tuned for. Please put your stock intake back on, reset (unplug batery for 5 mins) and let us know if the problems gone.
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Old Jan 11, 2013 | 11:17 AM
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seriously. The gms1 tune will not run intakes like magic. Intake should be tuned for. Please put your stock intake back on, reset (unplug batery for 5 mins) and let us know if the problems gone.
Just put on K&N. Already had GMS1.

Car went from -1.5 LTFT to about +3.5

What are people seeing with other intakes?
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Old Jan 11, 2013 | 12:40 PM
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K&N is a different story, pretty much every other intake ever made for our car cause lean codes or rich codes. MAF has no clue whats going on.

Swap the intake out OP. See if it fixes it.

P.S. to get a rich or lean code, your LTFT would need to be at or above +/-18.0% (I believe might be 16.0%).
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Old Jan 11, 2013 | 03:43 PM
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happened to me, gm has a bulletin about this. the lower map sensor rubs on the ac unit or line and causes it to ground out and results in a lot of BS. check that out just take off the front bumper. if someone told me this it would have saved me a lot of headaches, years of my life taken due to stress and $1000
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