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Old May 7, 2011 | 05:48 PM
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Rattle in neutral

I just installed clutchmasters stage 4 4 puck... I am having a problem. I am hearing a slight rattle. I also installed ottp stage 2 rotated mounts... the rattle is coming from tranny... i am using stock flywheel...

It happens when:
Only in neutral
Clutch pedal out

It does make a bit more sound when I press gas
Goes away when clutch is pushed in

no other noises during driving and car shifts perfect!

I am hoping someone will tell me that this is normal.
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Old May 7, 2011 | 05:58 PM
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Sounds normal to me, You will hear a lot more noises with the mounts. More noise gets transmitted to the subframe and into the car.
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Old May 7, 2011 | 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Iam Broke
Sounds normal to me, You will hear a lot more noises with the mounts. More noise gets transmitted to the subframe and into the car.
Yeah I was aware of this when I ordered the mounts. I know it is coming from the inside of tranny for a fact..
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Old May 7, 2011 | 08:29 PM
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Old May 8, 2011 | 07:44 AM
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UPDATE:

hard to move gears from time to time
and the noise is anytime the clutch is engaged
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Old May 8, 2011 | 08:46 PM
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Probably your throw out bearing...... Who installed the clutch?
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Old May 9, 2011 | 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by BooSSted
Probably your throw out bearing...... Who installed the clutch?
This. I know of some hardcore twin plates that are very noisy, but for basic diagnosis, if it rattles in neutral only it's probably the throw out bearing. Possibly the pilot bearing..
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Old May 9, 2011 | 08:33 PM
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Probably your throw out bearing...... Who installed the clutch?
My buddy and I installed it. He's a GM tech over 10 years so he knows his crap.
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Old May 9, 2011 | 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by 09BaltSSTC
I just installed clutchmasters stage 4 4 puck... I am having a problem. I am hearing a slight rattle. I also installed ottp stage 2 rotated mounts... the rattle is coming from tranny... i am using stock flywheel...

It happens when:
Only in neutral
Clutch pedal out

It does make a bit more sound when I press gas
Goes away when clutch is pushed in

no other noises during driving and car shifts perfect!

I am hoping someone will tell me that this is normal.
I had the exact same thing with my Clutchmasters stage 2 on my Camry SC.
Is there any *Chatter* when engaging? I had some and had to replace the clutch (exchanged for free). Never did figure it out though. Could be TOB or even disc or Pressure plate components. Hard to say. You shouldn't get any rattle sounds when engaged in neutral, it's not normal in my opinion.
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Old May 10, 2011 | 09:25 AM
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My car does the same thing in neutral and doesn't go away when i disengage the clutch......I was told from an "expert" that its the input shaft bearing......
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Old May 10, 2011 | 03:32 PM
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My car does the same thing in neutral and doesn't go away when i disengage the clutch......I was told from an "expert" that its the input shaft bearing......
didnt do this before clutch was installed...
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Old May 10, 2011 | 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by 09BaltSSTC
didnt do this before clutch was installed...
I think what his friend means is the pilot bearing (input shaft bearing). It seriously is most likely the throw out bearing (1) or the pilot bearing (2), not wanting to believe that wont make it stop, and regardless of how ace the installer was, sometimes stuff just happens. This is coming from some one who has done a lot of clutch jobs himself.

Until you check the bearings and check that the pressure plate is torqued properly, you won't know. I don't doubt the installer being good, but people can make mistakes, and parts can be defective.

Let us know man. I hope it works out for you.

edit* "Only in neutral
Clutch pedal out" Throw out bearing, end of story.
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Old May 10, 2011 | 03:40 PM
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Clutch chatter possibly??
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Old May 10, 2011 | 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by D_Rob
I think what his friend means is the pilot bearing (input shaft bearing). It seriously is most likely the throw out bearing (1) or the pilot bearing (2), not wanting to believe that wont make it stop, and regardless of how ace the installer was, sometimes stuff just happens. This is coming from some one who has done a lot of clutch jobs himself.

Until you check the bearings and check that the pressure plate is torqued properly, you won't know. I don't doubt the installer being good, but people can make mistakes, and parts can be defective.

Let us know man. I hope it works out for you.

edit* "Only in neutral
Clutch pedal out" Throw out bearing, end of story.
Not to be right or wrong but my friend is a fully experienced master tech and did all of the tranny jobs that nobody wanted to do so for my situation i believe him.

But for this situation it could be more to it.....like what if while installing the tranny he accidently let the tranny hang from the engine when trying to get the input shaft to go in......that could damage the input shaft or the bearings behind it . I'm not right or wrong..just trying to help out like everyone else lol
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Old May 10, 2011 | 04:11 PM
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And it could be normal lol. Aslong as it shifts good I'd just keep on driving
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Old May 10, 2011 | 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by 09BaltSSTC
My buddy and I installed it. He's a GM tech over 10 years so he knows his crap.
Ok, so it's installed perfectly and there are no issues then right? If he knows his ****, then why are you on here asking us?

I hate it when people instantly rule out installation error when they are trying to diagnose a problem. It's like you're trying to find something else to blame other than yourself.

You've got one option here if you want this fixed. Take it all back apart and see whats loose. I guarantee you it's a error in the installation.

You want to know how I know? Because I installed a clutch in an old car and had the exact same symptoms. I didn't know what I was doing and I fucked it up. Simple as that. I took the car to a transmission shop and magically the problem went away.

Just because your buddy is a GM tech, doesn't mean he knows the ins and outs of a transmission. That's no offence to him. He probably doesn't ever do them at work.
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Old May 10, 2011 | 04:22 PM
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Ok, so it's installed perfectly and there are no issues then right? If he knows his ****, then why are you on here asking us?

I hate it when people instantly rule out installation error when they are trying to diagnose a problem. It's like you're trying to find something else to blame other than yourself.

You've got one option here if you want this fixed. Take it all back apart and see whats loose. I guarantee you it's a error in the installation.

You want to know how I know? Because I installed a clutch in an old car and had the exact same symptoms. I didn't know what I was doing and I fucked it up. Simple as that. I took the car to a transmission shop and magically the problem went away.

Just because your buddy is a GM tech, doesn't mean he knows the ins and outs of a transmission. That's no offence to him. He probably doesn't ever do them at work.
Listen before you want to be an ******* please look at what I responded to. I didn't respond to, do you think the installer screwed up? I was asked who installed it. So that was my answer. Hate all you want. I got the answer I needed from the beginning. Either drive it until it breaks or tear it apart and find out. Then share it here. No need to be rude. Think before typing.
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Old May 10, 2011 | 04:24 PM
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And now looking back at this thread you were the one that asked the question in the first place. I was simply implying I didn't do it myself and had help from someone that has experience. The transmission shop can make a mistake. Has nothing to do with how good someone is.
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Old May 10, 2011 | 04:25 PM
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its not that deep to be arguing guys lol
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Old May 10, 2011 | 04:26 PM
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its not that deep to be arguing guys lol
I try to stay quiet, however that was ignorant.
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Old May 10, 2011 | 04:43 PM
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Well boossted's response was harsh but he's kinda right in a way......could've been more friendlier tho
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Old May 10, 2011 | 04:55 PM
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It's a classic symptom of a bad throw out bearing. I've noticed a number of posts by other users over the past few months referring to getting brand new faulty bearings. From what I've seen it seems to be a fairly common issue. Tear it apart OP, I'm 100% sure that's your problem.
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Old May 10, 2011 | 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by 09BaltSSTC
And now looking back at this thread you were the one that asked the question in the first place. I was simply implying I didn't do it myself and had help from someone that has experience. The transmission shop can make a mistake. Has nothing to do with how good someone is.
I apologize if I came off harsh. It wasn't meant to be rude. More brutally honest than anything.

When you said that your buddy was a tech for 10 years and knows his ****. I took that as you saying "The clutch is installed correctly so something else must be wrong". Which I don't believe is the case.

Anyways, good luck getting it fixed. Hope it's nothing major.
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Old May 10, 2011 | 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by boost_junkie16
It's a classic symptom of a bad throw out bearing. I've noticed a number of posts by other users over the past few months referring to getting brand new faulty bearings. From what I've seen it seems to be a fairly common issue. Tear it apart OP, I'm 100% sure that's your problem.
That make's three of us. I'd start there man. Only because if that goes, your going to either be stuck when it does, or having to find the perfect point where the syncro's meet within the rpm to shift and get it home. Hope it works out, if you paid for it, your friend should be willing to take a look at it at no charge I'd think.

Sucks though, trust, I have been there before
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Old May 10, 2011 | 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by BooSSted
I apologize if I came off harsh. It wasn't meant to be rude. More brutally honest than anything.

When you said that your buddy was a tech for 10 years and knows his ****. I took that as you saying "The clutch is installed correctly so something else must be wrong". Which I don't believe is the case.

Anyways, good luck getting it fixed. Hope it's nothing major.
Thank you. I am assuming it was installed correctly. I am also assuming that the throw out bearing is bad. Sucks that it was brand new. O well. I can barely hear the noise and everything shifts right so I am good for a little while. Maybe I'll tear it apart in a month or so. It hasn't gotten worse but it does seem as though it quieted down a hair. Only time I can hear it is in neutral with clutch engaged and once in a while say im at 25mph in second gear and im coasting to slow down. Other then that no noise. Its not loud. Also, I appreciate you being honest. I wasn't trying to come off as a know it all. Thanks again
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