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S-Max Intercooler Dyno Results!!!!!!!!!!

Old Aug 3, 2009 | 12:35 PM
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S-Max Intercooler Dyno Results w/ dyno sheets!!!!!!!!!!

Hi All,
Here it is… finally the dyno results everybody has been waiting for!!
They have tested all three intercoolers: Stock / OE replacement / Tuner

Boost was at 16/17psi, with NO boost loss at all.
We got all dyno info/numbers during 4th gear pulls.
Weather: Outside air temp was 83 deg to 77 deg but the Humidity was high at 55% with a high chance of rain.
Overall: 12WHP gain / 14 ft-TQ gain over the stock IC.

The dyno was outside which was great; but the bad part was the weather. The heat, heavy humidity and the high chance of rain put everybody on edge before the dyno runs. The weather overall, it was the worst conditions for an intercooler comparison but the S-Max intercoolers still put down more HP even in bad weather!!

On to the Dyno pulls:
On the first set of pulls on the stock IC, there was only one issue – Misfire on #1 (F*CK)!! on the second pull. Which I found out later the next day from the dealer, the coils where bad and it’s a known issue.. As members thought it was bad plugs or the spark gaps were off.. Since knowing this we marched on!! On these pulls we wanted to get a baseline on what the car was putting out.


All three of the intercoolers:
Stock - Front IC
OEM Replacement - Middle IC
Tuner/Large - Back IC


On the second set of pulls using the S-Max OEM replacement IC without CO2, the numbers were better compared to the stock unit with HP gain of 4.83!. Which was good, it told me the S-Max OEM replacement would be a good replacement if I wanted to run with CO2 down the road. I would get better HP numbers if I decided to replace the stock unit.


S-Max OEM Replacement Pic 1

On the third set of pulls using the OEM replacement IC with CO2, the numbers were much better compared to the stock unit with a HP gain of 7.26!! On this set of pulls we noticed, we were running low on CO2 after doing 3 full pulls. Dyno run #10 & #11 shows lower numbers because of this fact.


S-Max OEM Replacement Pic 2

On the fourth set of pulls using the S-Max Tuner style IC with CO2, the numbers were a lot better compared to the stock unit with a HP gain of 12.26!!! We noticed on these last three runs the car responded a lot better and quicker. As soon as we finished on this run it started to rain and the car got pulled off the dyno.


S-Max Tuner/Large Pic 3

We wanted to do a set of pulls using the S-Max Tuner style IC without CO2, but the only problem was it started to rain. We figured the dyno numbers would be better than the OEM replacement model..

Overall, due to the weather we were limited to time on the dyno. During our pulls we did not allow the car to cool down, each pull was less than a minute a part which caused the heat soak of the IC piping and most importantly the intake manifold… Clearly the stock intercooler had a huge advantage, because the car was cool, and it was the first set of runs so there wasn’t any heat soak at that time… Think about doing 15 pulls back to back, how much heat would be generated by the time we were done. So between dyno runs, we had to swap out each different IC’s..The other thing was, since we were pressed for time, we had to boogie our a$$ off..

Dyno sheets are on the bottom of the post..


Dyno sheets below:

Run #1: GM Stock IC


Run#2: GM Stock IC


Run#3: GM Stock IC


Run#4: GM Stock IC


Run#5: S-Max OEM Replacement IC without CO2


Run#6: S-Max OEM Replacement IC without CO2


Run#7: S-Max OEM Replacement IC with CO2


Run#8: S-Max OEM Replacement IC with CO2


Run#9: S-Max OEM Replacement IC with CO2


Run#10: S-Max OEM Replacement IC with CO2* bottle running empty


Run#11: S-Max OEM Replacement IC with CO2* bottle running empty


Run#12: S-Max Large Tuner style IC with CO2


Run#13: S-Max Large Tuner style IC with CO2


Run#14: S-Max Large Tuner style IC with CO2


Run#15: S-Max Large Tuner style IC with CO2

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Old Aug 3, 2009 | 12:39 PM
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when will the intercooler be released?
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Old Aug 3, 2009 | 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Mazdaboi318
when will the intercooler be released?
You can order it today.. I will have a group buy setup either tomorrow or wed..

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Old Aug 3, 2009 | 12:56 PM
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i wanna see prices for the Group buy!
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Old Aug 3, 2009 | 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Mazdaboi318
i wanna see prices for the Group buy!
I will get pricing later today or tomorrow..
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Old Aug 3, 2009 | 02:24 PM
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So the gains with a huge intercooler is minimal until you go with a very big turbo.
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Old Aug 3, 2009 | 02:49 PM
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Where is S-max based out of?? I see on the website a 973 area code so im hoping its close to me in NJ
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Old Aug 3, 2009 | 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by umrdyldo
So the gains with a huge intercooler is minimal until you go with a very big turbo.
The gains arent minimal, "if" the user decided to stay with the stock turbo he'll gain 7 to 12 whp by upgrading his FMIC to a oem replacement or tuner size.. but a 12 whp gain is great compared to other aftermarket FMIC..

as for a bigger turbo (gt28/30/35/40) the "tuner" size FMIC would complement it greatly..
from my calculations, if i added the gt30 - i would increase my whp by 24% = 300+whp using the tuner size FMIC with CO2 and a tune(HPtune or Trifecta).

Originally Posted by Black08SSTC
Where is S-max based out of?? I see on the website a 973 area code so im hoping its close to me in NJ
office is randolph

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Old Aug 3, 2009 | 03:07 PM
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nice, its like 30 mins from my house. if the price is right and fitment isnt an issue along with quality i will probably go with this one
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Old Aug 3, 2009 | 04:00 PM
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Definetly want to know the price when updated. Thanks
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Old Aug 3, 2009 | 06:35 PM
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i also would like pricing and fitment info!!! i'm ready to buy
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Old Aug 4, 2009 | 12:48 AM
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i want to see pics mounted in the car.
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Old Aug 4, 2009 | 12:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Boosted_Cobalt09
i want to see pics mounted in the car.
x2!!!!
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Old Aug 4, 2009 | 01:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Black08SSTC
Where is S-max based out of?? I see on the website a 973 area code so im hoping its close to me in NJ
I'm pretty sure I've seen you around Black. Where you located?
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Old Aug 4, 2009 | 01:23 AM
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i wanna order if the price is right. cant wit
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Old Aug 4, 2009 | 09:43 AM
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Am I the only one that thinks the large version is waaaaaaaaaaaaay ricey?
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Old Aug 4, 2009 | 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by davidcroft
Am I the only one that thinks the large version is waaaaaaaaaaaaay ricey?
you think max cooling is ricey?

Can't wait to see group buy prices!!!!
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Old Aug 4, 2009 | 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by davidcroft
Am I the only one that thinks the large version is waaaaaaaaaaaaay ricey?
Why would a large intercooler be ricey? It's functional. Rice is cosmetic.
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Old Aug 4, 2009 | 10:11 AM
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Rice would be having a big intercooler in the car without having it hooked up to anything.
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Old Aug 4, 2009 | 10:11 AM
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So without the CO2 sprayer, the OEM replacement one cooled as much as the OEM.
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Old Aug 4, 2009 | 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Hill1513
I'm pretty sure I've seen you around Black. Where you located?
Poconos.. ive been down in south jers a few times, we might setup dyno & tune day at tune time in toms river next week.. we need at least 15 rides to get a group discount.. got to talk to matt about it..

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So without the CO2 sprayer, the OEM replacement one cooled as much as the OEM.
remember the weather was bad that day, not to make excuses, but the weather plays a big role when comparing FMIC on a hot and humid day..

the OEM replacement give you a 4-5whp gain w/o CO2, and w/CO2 you gain 7-10 whp..
with the tuner size i have, i gained 12 whp in bad weather..

last nite, i gain another 8 whp from the nice weather 68 deg and humidity was 22%, plus i spanked 08 VW R32 with full of mods, on 3 rolls at 20 by 1.5 each time..
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Old Aug 4, 2009 | 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by umrdyldo
Rice would be having a big intercooler in the car without having it hooked up to anything.
Or having it hooked up like this...


Originally Posted by steddy2112
So without the CO2 sprayer, the OEM replacement one cooled as much as the OEM.
Im sure the ecm adjusted for the denser air, i mean that's its job. For a better comparison the iat/iat2's should be posted with each intercooler.
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They are posted.
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Price & fitment of large IC.

Does the bumper fit with the large IC?
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Old Aug 4, 2009 | 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by 08BlackSS/TC
Price & fitment of large IC.

Does the bumper fit with the large IC?
Not without trimming I would think.
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