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Old May 10, 2010 | 12:57 AM
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Question SS/TC GM stg1 w/ mods?

for those of you with a straight up GM stg1 from the dealer, how are the mods youve done reacting with the car?
list youre mods, and how you liked them
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Old May 10, 2010 | 09:39 AM
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Well I have the GMS1..

Mods: Catless Downpipe from Clear Image Automotive (FTW) and a simple K&N drop in...that's it...

Evaluation: I love it. Downpipe and the GM tune go together really well in my opinion, definitely the best horsepower for the money...and it makes a pretty big difference too. My best time so far is 13.5 in the 1/4 mile in 30 degree (Faren.) weather on all season tires at 25 psi, best 60' is terrible (2.2). Totally worth keeping the warranty.
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Old May 10, 2010 | 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by jphugel11
Well I have the GMS1..

Mods: Catless Downpipe from Clear Image Automotive (FTW) and a simple K&N drop in...that's it...

Evaluation: I love it. Downpipe and the GM tune go together really well in my opinion, definitely the best horsepower for the money...and it makes a pretty big difference too. My best time so far is 13.5 in the 1/4 mile in 30 degree (Faren.) weather on all season tires at 25 psi, best 60' is terrible (2.2). Totally worth keeping the warranty.
Its true, I saw him run the 13.5 sec 1/4 mile.

I ran as well, I got one run in that day. I have the CIA Downpipe and a simple K&N drop in as well. 09' yellow SS sedan.

I ran a 14.2 at 102mph roughly. GmS1 makes a 0.7 sec difference in 1/4 mile times by this evaluation.

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Old May 10, 2010 | 09:57 AM
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I have a stage 1 and k&n, and injen charge piping with a hahn catted downpipe waiting to be installed. cant wait, sounds like a down pipe really helps out.
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Old May 10, 2010 | 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by 09turbo
for those of you with a straight up GM stg1 from the dealer, how are the mods youve done reacting with the car?
list youre mods, and how you liked them
thanks!
I have the mods in my sig, the car runs great, much faster then stock, but I havent had a chance to take it to the track since I have done the mods, but stock I ran a 13.9 so I'm hopeful...

Originally Posted by northvibe
I have a stage 1 and k&n, and injen charge piping with a hahn catted downpipe waiting to be installed. cant wait, sounds like a down pipe really helps out.
Hahn Catted DownPipe is the only mod I have done since I got the install of my stage 1, and all I can say is holy **** lol, it makes a huge difference, I think you will be very happy.
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Old May 10, 2010 | 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by CudaJoe
Its true, I saw him run the 13.5 sec 1/4 mile.

I ran as well, I got one run in that day. I have the CIA Downpipe and a simple K&N drop in as well. 09' yellow SS sedan.

I ran a 14.2 at 102mph roughly. GmS1 makes a 0.7 sec difference in 1/4 mile times by this evaluation.
Dont forget to consider there was two different drivers.

Dont get me wrong, I love my GMS1, but you cant really make a statement like that. Had it been the same driver running consistant times in both cars that'd be another story...
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Old May 10, 2010 | 04:44 PM
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It all depends on the track and the driver

My best time with GMS1 was 13.8 at 106 with a 2.2 60'

My local track is a 1% uphill grade
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Old May 10, 2010 | 06:54 PM
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well a 13.5 isn't too much of an increase from my best stock run (13.67) but I can tell you from the videos I have, with some better tires I'll be knocking on 13.0's door with this setup.
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Old May 10, 2010 | 06:59 PM
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mods are in the sig best time stock was a 14.07 at san antonio, tx dunno any info about the track

havent been back to the track since any modifications, feels like an entirely different car though
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Old May 11, 2010 | 04:17 AM
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thanks guys! not sure what i want to do about a tune so thought id ask
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Old May 11, 2010 | 09:28 AM
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well as long as you don't mind spending the extra cash to keep your warranty I totally recommend the GMS1, my plan is to get a real tune after my warranty is up. I can't decide if I should wait just til bumper to bumper is over, or powertrain. Either way.
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Old May 12, 2010 | 12:49 PM
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13.2 104 2.0 60ft with a zzp down pipe and the gmupgrade and a k&n drop in on radials. put on injen charge pipes and aem intake no further tuning and picked up some mph but the track wasnt prepped as well that day 2.17 60 foot. mph was 107 and a 13.3.
Its was plenty quick for all seasons I thought. all aftermarket parts removed cept the gm kit and the drop in and have not been back to the track.
Josh
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Old May 12, 2010 | 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by recklessnova
13.2 104 2.0 60ft with a zzp down pipe and the gmupgrade and a k&n drop in on radials. put on injen charge pipes and aem intake no further tuning and picked up some mph but the track wasnt prepped as well that day 2.17 60 foot. mph was 107 and a 13.3.
Its was plenty quick for all seasons I thought. all aftermarket parts removed cept the gm kit and the drop in and have not been back to the track.
Josh
Make sure to post after you go again.... Im curious to hear what i does with no bolt ons and just the GMS1 after seeing the numbers with the bolt ons.
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Old May 12, 2010 | 08:00 PM
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Mod's listed in sig.Very happy with stage 1 upgrade.I will be getting it tuned over when warranty is over and I can get a larger turbo kit.
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Old May 12, 2010 | 09:10 PM
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80vette The real question is whats the vet doing. Will let you all know how it does if it take it back out.
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Old May 12, 2010 | 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by 09turbo
thanks guys! not sure what i want to do about a tune so thought id ask
Get a good custom tune. I went 13.5 with just an hp tune.
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Old May 12, 2010 | 09:28 PM
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you can mod the car till you're blue in the face. doesn't matter. a gms1 car box stock is FASTER than your modded one. you are still limited by the ecm and the calibration itself. gms1 + tune. THEN mod the car.
once you get past the torque management nannies in the ecm. your mods will show the power gains. not till then.

learn this.
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Old May 12, 2010 | 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by jphugel11
Well I have the GMS1..

Mods: Catless Downpipe from Clear Image Automotive (FTW) and a simple K&N drop in...that's it...

Evaluation: I love it. Downpipe and the GM tune go together really well in my opinion, definitely the best horsepower for the money...and it makes a pretty big difference too. My best time so far is 13.5 in the 1/4 mile in 30 degree (Faren.) weather on all season tires at 25 psi, best 60' is terrible (2.2). Totally worth keeping the warranty.
GMS1 with 25 psi????? I'm only 20 and i think thats what they claim to gain as well. I guess your temp and altitude make it do that?
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Old May 12, 2010 | 11:19 PM
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you can mod the car till you're blue in the face. doesn't matter. a gms1 car box stock is FASTER than your modded one. you are still limited by the ecm and the calibration itself. gms1 + tune. THEN mod the car.
once you get past the torque management nannies in the ecm. your mods will show the power gains. not till then.

learn this.
so its just the calibration because its tuned for factory parts? cuz the gms1 gets rid of learn down right?
very good to know. thanks!
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Old May 13, 2010 | 12:11 AM
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Kildore, 25 psi in the tires.
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Old May 13, 2010 | 06:30 AM
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80vette The real question is whats the vet doing. Will let you all know how it does if it take it back out.
Josh
lol thats a good question....Im still waiting to fire the motor for the first time in the car. I ran into a manufacturing error with my driver's side side mount header. One of the primaries was welded wrong and is hitting my steering box preventing me from installing it. A replacement is 40days out so Im going to have to modify this one in the mean time. Other than that I just have to fab some tranny cooler lines and Im done.

At this point I dont know what to expect this thing to run seeing Im only going to be able to run it on street tires in hopes of keeping the rear in one piece... as long as the rear end stays together for a little while, Ill be happy Eventually I want to swap to one of the older, stronger iron Vette differentials and then start running slicks.
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Old May 13, 2010 | 06:45 AM
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so its just the calibration because its tuned for factory parts? cuz the gms1 gets rid of learn down right?
very good to know. thanks!
no it doesn't actually get rid of the learn down it just raises it higher then what stock setting is. theres been talk time and time again about it and no one really seems to agree but moajority will say its still there. i plan on getting the stage 1 for now leaving it stock then when i save the money im going to stack a custom tune on top of it and add things like intake and hot cold pipes and dp.
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Old May 13, 2010 | 06:35 PM
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no it doesn't actually get rid of the learn down it just raises it higher then what stock setting is. theres been talk time and time again about it and no one really seems to agree but moajority will say its still there. i plan on getting the stage 1 for now leaving it stock then when i save the money im going to stack a custom tune on top of it and add things like intake and hot cold pipes and dp.
thats what im thinking im going to do. im getting antzzy and i wanna keep the warranty lol.
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Old May 13, 2010 | 07:07 PM
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well I haven't had the time to sit down and search, but on GMTunerSource, I'm pretty sure it's in one of the Q&A's with John Heinricy, but either way, it clearly states that Learn Down is disabled. I know this is basically a can of worms being opened up, but in support of learn down being gone, could an extra 20 hp and 60 lb-ft really take off a whole second of 1/4 mile time? probably not. Idk what recklessnova's best stock time was, but I'm willing to guess that it was right around a 14.0, and then running a 13.2 with the GMS1 and bolt-ons...I guess we will just wait and find out what he runs without bolt-ons.
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Old May 13, 2010 | 08:36 PM
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you are still hindered by the desired air load tables. if the calc'd airflow is above this, it nukes the torque. pure and simple. so keep bolting on crap without a tune. don't say i didn't warn you when you got dyno your new found mods and find you make less torque than a stock lsj
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