Hey guys, bought a 2009 tc sedan with a bunch of homemade piping and goofy stuff. I am going to be hptuned soon and after dynoing at 344wtq and 280whp It's time for an upgrade. I need some help finalizing my decisions before pulling the trigger. Goal is around 380-400whp daily driven. Whats going to get this done? After readying 200+ pages on turbo stuff, It gets confusion

Option 1: BNR2871 upgrade. Already have a bov setup with the usual bolt-ons. Anything else needed to make this work? Does anyone have an aftermarket exhaust manifold that would increase flow?

Option 2: Garret 3076r. From what I have read, New t3 exhaust manifold needed. Will this throw off downpipe and intake from stock locations? Is the way to involved for what I am looking for?



Just need to know what direction to go before I buy something and realize i'm in over my head. *Not doing the zfr or 20g route* nothing all wrong with them just doing something different. THANKS!

 

If you're going to do option 1 with the BNR, I would highly suggest ZFR. I had it, and do not regret it. Even the fact that it blew I'm still standing by the product. It was great.

Option 2. I like it, different. That's what I wanted when i went the 25g route. Let me tell you after 7 months, it's =still not working properly. Don't know what it is. But iyou might have better luck.

Buy this: ZZPerformance - Ecotec Stainless Turbo Manifold #ZZ-ESSTMAN
An external WG.
then the 3076 or w/e turbo you want. I'd prob got with PTE cause it would be cheaper for a turbo the same size etc. You will need a custom downpipe and WG pipe. You will probably need a MAF relocate charge pipe as well. oh and dont forget, custom coolantt and oil lines. Pain in the ass.

I'd go with option 1 if you're only looking for 380-400whp. If you're going with more, I say option 2. Take my advice.

Goodluck!

 

Go with the zfr from zzp and be done. Bnr is also a good choice no manifold needed. Other than the bov you already have the kit includes everything for install. Hahn is also having a sale on their s20g kit.

Edit, just saw you said you don't want a 20g or zfr. It's cool and all to try a be different but with a proven turbo like the zfr it's hard to not want it. With that being said, BNR or 3076r it's gonna be BNR. Bolts up to stock mani, still great spool, and capable of 400/400.

 

Thanks guys for the info! That's exactly what I needed. I think I'll hold off on jumping into the big leagues with larger turbos and needing to fabricate everything else. Most of the time its a bigger pain in the ass than you expect.

Are there any T3 flanged options out there that are internally w/g and still somewhat bolt up with the downpipe in the correct position? It would be nice to play with some turbos on zzp's manifold just bc it is a nice piece and probably outflows stock like crazy. Sorry for the novice questions, there are just a million options of turbos and housings that I may have not come across.

 

There is no need to change out the manifold when there are so many options out there that will bolt up to the stock manifold with no modification and still make your hp goals.

 

the bnr will spool 3600-3800 and the s20g spools 4000-4200. Depends on if you wanna be safe on the tranny, but both max out around the same 400/400 on 93 gas and Fully bolted.
Go with one of them

 

Keep the stock manifold and save yourself time and money. If you want to be different go with the WR3!!! nobody has that except one person lol. I'm telling you man, ZFR WR3 BNR and s20g. Those are the turbos I would go with and in that order of preference.

 

Just another option would be werks WR-2 or WR-3

 

Since you have a bov, I would just go with the revised bnr.

 

That or the 20g will be your best bet. Bnr will be more responsive and closest to stock feeling especially if you already have a bov.

 

Yea I'm going to scrap the idea of the manifold.

Sounds like BNR is the way to go to if I'm not doing a full on build. Little more lag, little more power, still not crazy for a DD, and won't kill the budget. Wr-3 would be fun, but I bought the car as an economy ride. Kinda kills the purpose if I drop 4K into the build.

So new IC pipes, relocate maf to cold side, supertech springs (car has 100k miles), New Coolant and oil lines.

Any of you guys have a bov ya'll really like from 24-26 psi? Currently have the hybrid turboxs (i'm assuming bc it was known to not throw many cel)

Tial, turbosmart, hks? Want to do it right the first time and not screw with it later.

 

The coolant and oil lines I think come with the BNR. I'm not too sure. Problem with BNR is they need a core. You gotta send your k04 in. Or you can buy it whole from them idk. i forgot how it works exactly. I think you should be okay with the BOV you have now. I have HKS and I'm havving problems with it. I'd go with Tial if you really wanted to change the BOV.

 

Yea Its either zzp ic pipes with the tial bov or the werks larger piping and mount a tial to it then call it a day. Any real world gains from using the pwerks pipes???

 

real world gains would be in the amuont you pay i would think.

 

The BNR is totally worth it. Capable of 400whp on pump gas and I've seen as high as 450 on E. I run the old version on pump gas and 26-29 psi (depends what I feel like setting my mbc to).
I've ran as high as 30 psi and had this setup for over a year with no issues. So far the only things to beat me were v8's with several grand invested into their engines and transmissions.

As far as what I payed

850 for the turbo used
170 for bov
300 for a tune

Sold stock turbo for 400

So essentially I payed under a grand for a turbo swap.

Did it at about 45-50k and I just crossed over 80k yesterday. I hit at least 25psi daily.

 

^ That's what I like to hear!

I've currently got a Clutch masters stage 4 in the tranny so once it is all done should be a fun ride. It's fun now hitting 23psi WOT every day, but still something is missing. May try the e-boost controller with the tial and try to help with all the torque steer too

 

What boost controller you using brotha?

 

Just a turbo smart MBC. I'm thinking about getting something else.

 

Try the Ams 400 that's what I'm looking at, maybe the turbo smart dual stage

 

****, are the only options for IC pipes that come with a bov flange the ZZP and Treadstone? Anyone fabbed one up on an Injen?? Synapse and Turboxs look clean, but I can't seem to find those with a bov flange option

 

Gotta call them and ask about the flange option. Can get ahold of pwerks too!

 

If you already have the Charge pipes, just get a flange for the BOV you want and go to a exhaust shop. They can weld it in for you...

 

^ Exactly what I was gonna do. Get the injen hot side pipes for cheap, use my turboxs bov I already have that works fine, weld on a flange and powder coat it gloss black. Then use the money I saved and buy the zzp cold side for maf relocating.

 

Does anyone know if the ZZP LSJ turbo swap air intake will fit the LNF? Yes, I know the coupler would need to be changed to fit the turbo inlet, but it is cleaner looking than my home-made "K&N". Escpecially since I don't need the maf on the intake and its 3.5" and still has a vac port.

 

As long as you're talking about this intake.... then yes

ZZPerformance - ZZP Turbo Swap Intake #ZZP-TSWINK

Also, that's not a vacuum line on the intake. It's a pcv line.