400 wheel horsepower supercharged...
12-23-2008, 01:56 PM
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The crank can be worked by any reputable machine shop for much much less than they want for a new crank.
12-23-2008, 01:58 PM
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I hear what you are saying, and I had the chance and the money to do so back in May, just before I got on the tvs. I'm working off my preference in having a balt that I didn't have to reconfigure everything to get big power out of it. Sure, it might cost more but I like having a supercharger way more than a turbo, especially because of the power delivery. And I took a ride in Paul's car a while ago, I know how it feels to ride in a car with a solid turbo swap.
12-23-2008, 02:03 PM
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The need for cam gears will only arise if you wanted to play with overlap and get a little more top end out of it, it will depend highly on the cam grind you choose.
If you do rev to 8k, solid lifters will help you greatly and will almost be needed with a cam regrind. Neutral balance shafts are a good idea and are easy to swap if the engine is out of the car already, it can still be done with it in the car but require quite a bit of dexterity.
The sleeves will hold but if you have any type of top end problems that would cause airflow problems on a single cylinder such as a collapsed lifter or a bad port job you'll have detonation that will destroy a sleeve in no time.
The last LSJ I personally built handles ~30ish psi from a turbo on parts you listed above with no excessive blowby and within the capabilty of the stock PCV system.
If you do rev to 8k, solid lifters will help you greatly and will almost be needed with a cam regrind. Neutral balance shafts are a good idea and are easy to swap if the engine is out of the car already, it can still be done with it in the car but require quite a bit of dexterity.
The sleeves will hold but if you have any type of top end problems that would cause airflow problems on a single cylinder such as a collapsed lifter or a bad port job you'll have detonation that will destroy a sleeve in no time.
The last LSJ I personally built handles ~30ish psi from a turbo on parts you listed above with no excessive blowby and within the capabilty of the stock PCV system.
True..., you don't have to remind me. Maybe this summer coming we can switch cars and refresh your memory... it shouldn't be that much slower. lol
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12-23-2008, 02:11 PM
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I would like to think that it wouldn't require more than 25 psi along with everything else to get there. I am also hoping that the gmr cams will be a good match for all this, considering that these cams were mated with the lsj layout. The guys from m2race are setting up the lash for the cams to work properly in the head. I know that Jesel makes a 2 piece solid lifter that runs for about 650 so if I have to then I will get those installed.
The BLE solid adjustable lifters are decently priced and you can set lash on your own or adjust if needed later. Jesel lifters don't preserve the stock oiling capability to the rocker, something you'll want when using stock rockers.
12-23-2008, 02:14 PM
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if it helps any. i did 340+ on a 3.1 pulley on the tvs with the gmr cams. on more or less 3.5 cylinders due to the craptastic nature of them
before you jump on the ble bandwagon. do a search for them
before you jump on the ble bandwagon. do a search for them
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12-23-2008, 02:17 PM
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I have and they had on the site that they only sell them for the 2.2 ecotec. I've seen them for sale on quite a few sites including their own but it only speaks for the 2.2
12-23-2008, 02:20 PM
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They have been featured recently in 2 different major magazines and had great reviews. I'm slightly inclined to think that failed setups may be from improper lash. Other than the oiling system borking its kind of hard to screw up a stationary solid lifter.
12-23-2008, 02:21 PM
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If you are going to stray from the stock sleeves, I would recommend a Darton kit, it will probably end up running the same amount of cash in the end and be a better bottom end.
The crank can be worked by any reputable machine shop for much much less than they want for a new crank.
The crank can be worked by any reputable machine shop for much much less than they want for a new crank.
12-23-2008, 02:21 PM
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I have paid much attention to how things went with your tuning of the tvs when you got yours and posted about it. I also have a stock pulley at my house and that will be the starting point for everything once it's done. I don't see it as being wise to go all the way in from the jump.
12-23-2008, 02:26 PM
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I would have said that, but with the blower its soooo hard to make decent power with pump gas. With a fully built motor, head, cams ect. You're at the limit with the M62 already, and it was a matter of either spending thousands on a new blower to make an extra 50-70 hp on lead race gas, or spend thousands on a turbo setup to make 100+ more hp on 91 octane. AZ doesn't have the gas to support pump gas blower apps unfortunately. Its more the necessary that the "easy" road.
12-23-2008, 02:27 PM
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I would have said that, but with the blower its soooo hard to make decent power with pump gas. With a fully built motor, head, cams ect. You're at the limit with the M62 already, and it was a matter of either spending thousands on a new blower to make an extra 50-70 hp on lead race gas, or spend thousands on a turbo setup to make 100+ more hp on 91 octane. AZ doesn't have the gas to support pump gas blower apps unfortunately. Its more the necessary that the "easy" road.
12-23-2008, 02:35 PM
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I would have said that, but with the blower its soooo hard to make decent power with pump gas. With a fully built motor, head, cams ect. You're at the limit with the M62 already, and it was a matter of either spending thousands on a new blower to make an extra 50-70 hp on lead race gas, or spend thousands on a turbo setup to make 100+ more hp on 91 octane. AZ doesn't have the gas to support pump gas blower apps unfortunately. Its more the necessary that the "easy" road.
i never set high goals for my car in terms of power.
12-23-2008, 02:36 PM
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12-23-2008, 02:56 PM
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sounds just like my build... just, i already have the solid lifters machined for the GMR cams. sleeve it and you should be fine
you had higher compression pistons too. 10.1 right?
you had higher compression pistons too. 10.1 right?
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12-23-2008, 02:57 PM
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OP im rooting for ya, I have the same goals. I want 400, but 350 is more likely . Im going to have a very similar setup, i will most likely be running a 9.0:1 CR instead though. Im just tight on funds right now, so no build for me yet 
