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Old Jun 4, 2007 | 02:31 PM
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Its official my number 4 piston is shot. It showed 80% leakdown while all others were perfect. The compression ratio was 1-165 2-165 3-165 4-100

new motor time

mods were intake, catback exhaust, cobra h/e, 2.7 pulley at 19 lbs, 60lbers.
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Old Jun 4, 2007 | 02:34 PM
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That sucks, have you pulled the head yet to check out the damage or just done the compression test
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Old Jun 4, 2007 | 02:34 PM
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2.7 pulley at 19 lbs, 60lbers.

too much boost! haha

sorry to hear that bro.
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Old Jun 4, 2007 | 02:35 PM
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just compression test, its 8 hours to pull the head off and 27 to rebuild not including fabbing.... its only 13 to drop a new one in... im just replacing it.
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Old Jun 4, 2007 | 02:35 PM
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duh duh duh another one bites the dust........

Anyone know how that return fuel system project is coming?
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Old Jun 4, 2007 | 03:44 PM
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How long have you been running it blown, did you notice a huge difference?

You and I got the Intense Stage 4 around the same time, now I'm starting to question my engine. I ran the 2.5"pulley with no cooling mods for a year straight, I know I know not good. Now i have a 2.7" on, runs like usual but I'm tired of worrying about it. I'm having mine checked, and will be downgrading to GM Stage 3.

Good Luck with the rebuild.
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Old Jun 4, 2007 | 03:46 PM
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Damn Boost. So addictive....
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Old Jun 4, 2007 | 03:47 PM
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this is fucked we need to sort this **** out. Good luck with the new motor
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Old Jun 4, 2007 | 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by turboeco
How long have you been running it blown, did you notice a huge difference?

You and I got the Intense Stage 4 around the same time, now I'm starting to question my engine. I ran the 2.5"pulley with no cooling mods for a year straight, I know I know not good. Now i have a 2.7" on, runs like usual but I'm tired of worrying about it. I'm having mine checked, and will be downgrading to GM Stage 3.

Good Luck with the rebuild.
I ran it for a little over a year, i was getting retuned when it went but i believe it was due to the tune that was on it before hand wearing on it. Still dont know why it went, but I was going to down grade to a GM stage 2 and was talked out of it into just retuning. I should have just went to stage 2... i would downgrade if i were you. all a/f was good when it went too

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How long have you been running it blown, did you notice a huge difference?

You and I got the Intense Stage 4 around the same time, now I'm starting to question my engine. I ran the 2.5"pulley with no cooling mods for a year straight, I know I know not good. Now i have a 2.7" on, runs like usual but I'm tired of worrying about it. I'm having mine checked, and will be downgrading to GM Stage 3.

Good Luck with the rebuild.
I ran it for a little over a year, i was getting retuned when it went but i believe it was due to the tune that was on it before hand wearing on it. Still dont know why it went, but I was going to down grade to a GM stage 2 and was talked out of it into just retuning. I should have just went to stage 2... i would downgrade if i were you. all a/f was good when it went too

by the way this is exactly what happend to me.... it felt great until 8 months or so then it ran good, but i got weary about getting on it etc. im not sure why it just didnt feel right, now this... downgrade why u still can!

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Old Jun 4, 2007 | 04:08 PM
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What was your afr when at wide open throttle? Im going from the 2.6 to a 2.7 in the next week.
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Old Jun 4, 2007 | 04:15 PM
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sorry to hear it bud just do it yourself, its easy to do! i thought it was gonna be harder than it was!
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Old Jun 4, 2007 | 04:27 PM
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i really dont have the time it took me 2 months just to get a compression check done. My job has me traveling alot etc.... its just going to sit while i save... not sure my exact a/f but it was in the green meaning not bad...
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Old Jun 4, 2007 | 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by denny
constant Knock day in and day out is what weaken these motors out...until they die all together.

I noticed if you run a 2.6" pulley and max boost is 18-19PSI and you set hptuners to run it a 85-90% 4000RPM and up it bring the boost down to around 16.2-17PSI so it would look like this:

from 1000rpm to 4000rpm (using MAX torque of the 2.6" pulley) then from 4100rpm to 7000rpm limit boost to 16.2-17PSI you can run more TIMING (which in our motor makes more power then additional boost) and create less HEAT, less fuel demand, On the dyno PEAK torque with a 2.6" is around 4000rpm and 4400rpm so no need for more boost anyways.

Im still working on this but so far I have been blown away on how much better the car runs no knock ever.

With my water and meth kit on it acts like an insurance policy on the motor!!
i'll be in ottawa this month some time Im sure, so i'll give ya a buzz
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Old Jun 4, 2007 | 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by denny
constant Knock day in and day out is what weaken these motors out...until they die all together.

I noticed if you run a 2.6" pulley and max boost is 18-19PSI and you set hptuners to run it a 85-90% 4000RPM and up it bring the boost down to around 16.2-17PSI so it would look like this:

from 1000rpm to 4000rpm (using MAX torque of the 2.6" pulley) then from 4100rpm to 7000rpm limit boost to 16.2-17PSI you can run more TIMING (which in our motor makes more power then additional boost) and create less HEAT, less fuel demand, On the dyno PEAK torque with a 2.6" is around 4000rpm and 4400rpm so no need for more boost anyways.

Im still working on this but so far I have been blown away on how much better the car runs no knock ever.

With my water and meth kit on it acts like an insurance policy on the motor!!
I did this after I put my 2.5 on. Without it, I get weird knock, with it, none.
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i really dont have the time it took me 2 months just to get a compression check done. My job has me traveling alot etc.... its just going to sit while i save... not sure my exact a/f but it was in the green meaning not bad...
This is very interesting.....I don't see it in your tune. The variable must have been a mechanical item. I know you didn't beat on it.
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Old Jun 4, 2007 | 05:35 PM
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yea im guessing that mysterious ticking was something in the engine and not my cat/sway bar as it came back right when it was about to go.... it was probably caused by running the intense tune for a while =/
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Old Jun 4, 2007 | 05:41 PM
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yes aeroforce, i was only receiving limited knock at wot, but once i had this ticking noise after about 3 months with the kit i RARELY got on it...
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Old Jun 4, 2007 | 06:21 PM
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it was scanned but it was too late, and the next motor is staying stock
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Old Jun 4, 2007 | 06:46 PM
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damn man... sorry to hear that, but from what I saw the intense tunes were pretty lean and ran way too much timing for pump gas. 21 degrees on a 2.5 pulley without meth = boom
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Old Jun 4, 2007 | 06:47 PM
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Cooling mods FTW!
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Old Jun 5, 2007 | 12:28 AM
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damn man... sorry to hear that, but from what I saw the intense tunes were pretty lean and ran way too much timing for pump gas. 21 degrees on a 2.5 pulley without meth = boom
i run 23 * on 93 with no knock on my 2.5 pullied car... but i have every cooling mods besides meth.
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Old Jun 5, 2007 | 05:24 AM
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same setup i was running when i popped #4.... intake/2.7"/60's

sorry to hear about your car.


edit: dont be so quick to blame the intese tunes guys, my car was custom dyno tuned with an 11.5:1 air fuel ratio, and still popped. not saying running the intense tune wasnt a contributing factor, but i see the 60# injectors and pullys smaller than 2.8" as the only constant factor in all these blown motors. i have only seen one ljs go that was running 42.5's and he blew 3 cylinders not just #4. im not on this forum often so are there more cars over here blowing up on the 42.5's or is it pretty much just the 60's?
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Old Jun 5, 2007 | 08:20 AM
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im not blaming intense, it was just a bad combination all together. I wasnt running the intake on the intense tune though.
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Old Jun 5, 2007 | 10:22 AM
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Sorry to be so naive, but could you guys just clarify a few things for us?

So would you consider the originally listed mods of intake, exhaust, 2.7" pulley, and 60# injectors as "dangerous?" These seem like fairly "light" mods to me, which many people here seem to be running. I know it's very difficult to guess, but what exactly do you think the risk is here? With those mods, how many miles until the motor goes?

Or (to the OP) would you say that the lean intense tune was more likely the cause?

What exactly causes the "blown motors" like this? Is it a too lean air-fuel ratio? Is it something to do with the larger injectors? Or is it just a bad tune (again - too lean, but wouldn't the larger injectors help remedy this?)

For those who want to run smaller pulleys, what supporting mods would best reduce these kinds of risks? Definitely some cooling mods, correct? It appears we'd need more than a heat exchanger, so maybe methanol/water injection? For more aggressive supporting mods, what would be needed? New pistons? Would anything else be needed, or are the pistons the source of the failure mostly?

Again, sorry for the simple post, but if any of you more knowledgable guys could help out with these questions, I think it'd really help out the community. Thanks in advance.
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Old Jun 5, 2007 | 10:26 AM
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i believe it was the knock that was assocaited with the intense tune, i knew it was cookie cutter and is really my own fault. But i do not believe they should offer it and say it will work. B/c it does... for a while... just get a custom tune and you should be fine, if your going to mod heavily get meth/water injection.
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Old Jun 5, 2007 | 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by CobaltBurst
i believe it was the knock that was assocaited with the intense tune, i knew it was cookie cutter and is really my own fault. But i do not believe they should offer it and say it will work. B/c it does... for a while... just get a custom tune and you should be fine, if your going to mod heavily get meth/water injection.
Thanks bud, good luck with the new motor!
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