ok ok so you got a stage 2 upgrade, exhaust system and a CAI, what kind of total hp/torque are we talking about ? And what kind of cars will we be able to give a run for there money???????

 

maybe 270ish maybe 280, maybe a slightly modded srt4 most likely with g85

 

GM says 241 crank. If you going be dyno jet numbers it will be higher than that but they seem to be a bit high anyways. A mustang dyno will prob show 220-230 WHP which should be pretty close. They say it takes a half .5 for 0-60 and .7 in the 1/4 mile


with a CAI mabey around 230-240 depending on how it reacts with mods

 

I thought it would be more like 250,260 after intake and exhaust and stage 2.

 

Crank not WHP. It could get there, all depends on what your getting after your intake and such.

 

if the stage 2 gets say 35 extra hp, with the 217 number thats 252 without exhaust and intake, intake round abouts 8-10 so low ball it and thats 260 and about 10-12 for the exhaust that makes 270...

 

i thought the stages were WHP

 

Yeah every engine is calibrated differently....my ss dynoed at 212

 

hahahhahh G35??? stock i was beating them form 40 rolls now im eating them with intake, and exhaust G35's are slow until fully modded

youll be running wiht mustang GT (new one) 6.0 GTO, STI, EVO, all the big dogs cept the vette basically!

 

GM claims .7 off the 1/4 time and a .5 off of the 0 to 60mph. At the best time I've seen on a stock SS is a 14.4. Add stage 1 and 2 I\H\E we are looking at low 13s.

 

Mans don't expect too much, basically the stage 2 will be roughly as powerful as the Speed Tuner Challenge Cobalt SS and the Grand Am Cup Cobalts (which rans 235 issh WHP).

1 : Actually, a totally stock Supercharged Cobalt SS gives between 205 and 210 WHP (4th gear) on a DynoJet, giving about 235 SAE BHP (GM underate at 205 BHP).

2 : A Stage 1 will give a 10 % increase, good for 225 to 230 WHP (4th gear on a dynojet), giving about 255 SAE BHP (GM underate at 236 BHP).

3 : The stage 2 will be good for 235 to 240 WHP (4th gear on a dynojet), giving about 265 ish SAE BHP (GM underate at 241 BHP).

Adding all bolt on (cams, headers, cat-back, tuned intake) on top of the stage 2 won't probably give higher than 305 ish SAE BHP or 270 WHP (4th gear on a dynojet). Think of very hiiiiiiiiigh 12's quarter mile time to roughly 110 MPH (estimated).

Don't forget that it gives roughly 150 BHP per liter of displacement, that's good.

Modding the SRT4 (which is a 20% more displacement engine) with roughly the same bolt-ons will give about 325 WHP or 365 SAE BHP !

Those who wants more than 300 BHP from their SS are better to look on a turbo tuned with an standalone engine management system and maybe an increased displacement to 2.2 liters.

 

I think he ment the g85 package for the SS S/C

 

well my dad is getting a z06 in about 2 months, i will race him and let yall know how that turns out...

 

..(wipes tears from eyes)..

 

Keep in mind that GM has always underated everything.

 

I agree with the hp and I believe that the srt4 stock for stock is faster but I think after stage 2 we would have no problem with a slightly modded srt4. Than again it depends on what you consider slightly modded.

 

I just hope stage 2 with k&n intake/tog header/magnaflow exhaust is good for mid 13's.

 

so how much is the difference between an eddy current mustang dyno and the dynojet. I dynoed at 202 and 192 stock while astrocrep dynoed at 230.2hp 201.0tq on a dynojet stock.

 

I dont see that as being a problem at all. I think we are all worried so much about the hp #'s that we have forgot the our car with its underated 205 hp has kept up with and beaten capable cars. Stage 2 will be very nice, I personally am hoping for stage 3.

 

What im worried about is that everyone is looking at hp numbers but forgot that they can barely get there stock cobalt to hook right at the track now, let alone add more power to it and hope for better times. Stock tire and rim package sucks for drag racing. switch off the stock stuff for a 16 inch rim with a halfway decent tire and more cobalts woulda been low 14's making hitting mid 13's even easier.

 

I personally don't care to much about the track times cuz i am rarely near one. But i see what ur saying and yeah i not sure if ppl are thinking about that. I wanna be over 300hp and when im hitting that mark the LSD will be getting installed. I find myself always in a roll on the highway so the matter of hooking up isnt my biggest concern and for the guys that are, im sure they wouldnt have a problem buying DR's because the pirrelis suck for it.

 

But no one on here cares about track times, they just want to bench race with supposed dyno numbers.

 

want to run mid to high 13's, buy fn steelies and drag radials, problem solved

and drewfu$ you are absolutely 100% correct

 

I'm wouldn't be so sure about no one. I personally not concerned about it but basically the ppl that are interested in getting stage2 want 13's

 

Yeah realities a bitch when you brag about having a 200 hp supercharged car but the numbers aren't there to back up your claims of greatnest. Good track times is what gets other people/car owners to respect you and your car, its what makes the world go round on these type of car forums. I think the problem is that the majority of the people that buy a cobalt ss in general don't care about being fast. Not peppy or quick but really fast. It was a nice package deal between comfort,looks,and speed and it was made by gm so the loyalist follow. A number a claim and a promise is good enough for the avg owner. Hate to say it but the srt-4 people at least go at this get fasts thing like they have something to prove. The avg cobalt owner seems more laid back so numbers are all they need to be happy. The avg stage two will be running a 13.9-14.4 the site hero's and they know who they are will get there mid to low 13's. The cronies with a stage two kit will claim to be able to run 13's because a kid on his forum did it, but only races from rolls on the street. I seem kinda bitter on this subject because i have a chick cobaltss/sc owner around my way running here mouth about how much horse power she has and how she can run 13's but her ******* is stock and never been to a track. I probly din't exsplain my feelings well in this post but its a sum up of how i see it.