So im going back SC but need a base tune to start with Im mainly concerned about the TVS and the JBP Stage 2 Triflow Cams. Heres my setup:

Engine:
Custom Ported Head
JBP Stage 2 Triflow Cams
JBP Valve Springs
ARP Head Studs
Cometic Head Gasket

Fuel:
Siemens 60LB Injectors

Intake:
Harrop TVS Supercharger
LS4 Throttle Body
ZZP Phenolic Intake Manifold Gasket

Cooling:
Dual Pass Endplate
Front Mount Air to Water Intercooler
External Reservior (Option B)

Exhaust:
JBP Vortex Header
Custom 3 Inch Magnaflow Exhaust


I have HPT and can do it all i just have been tuning for my turbo setup and want to make sure i have it close with the Cams and TVS Any help would be greatly appreciated you can e-mail any tuning files/ideas to openexcess@gmail.com

 

I have a tvs supercharger on my cobalt. I need a good map to run to my vcm. I tried the one ottp gave me but my cars runnin way rich and has a hick-up about 4 grand. What do you suggest?

 

I would suggest you go over to hptuners.com and do some reading. learn how to tune your MAF Airflow vs Output Frequency. If you have a wideband A/F hook it up to hptuner do a scan of Maf vs a/f error and tune your maf.

 

get a a/f ratio gauge from AEM while your at it

 

i fixed your setup to something that you'll actually receive the parts and they'll actually perform well DO NOT use jbp stuff it you want your car to actually run

 

Do you have any proof to back up your claims?
The people who bitch about JBP's products, are generally the guys who have never used them.

Sure... their customer service sucks... but I don't install customer service on my car either.

 

same issue...i spent a ton of cash at a local tuning shop to get the AF straight and it still hiccups at low load around 3-4 grand

 

Omega, i know you are familiar with Rod's story. Their business practice is incredibly flawed.

 

as far as the hiccup, change your plugs.


bump, for the OP base tune search!

 

that's going to be a pain in the weiner to tune

 

they have shitty clearance .. they've fucked over my friend ( he ordered triflow cams .. waited over a month and never got them and then wouldnt refund all of his money) the noodle header is a terribly designed header ( any header with that many bends is terrible for fluid dynamics. overall i just dont trust them to deliver products or have things fit correctly there are many people who dynoed a loss with their header and if physically cant flow the air that the tvs wants to

 

done and no change

 

OTTP For the win.
I was going to get a exhaust from zzp but they just didnt respond fast and had a cocky type attitude to them. Never had a problem with ottp fast from ottp is awesome and responds right away.

its in your tune man hook up hp tuner do some scans. I guarantee that it has to do with your a/f The only time I got hiccups was when my car was running a really rich mix. At slight acceleration I would get a hiccup and did a scan it was running 12.1. Tuned my maf and it fixed it.

 

I'm well aware of Rod's story... but I don't see how them having shitty customer service has anything to do with the products they sell.

First off... I've tried the Tri-flows... they are fine for a mild cam. Not aggressive enough for my liking though.
Second... if your friend has a redline, maybe he should have read the disclaimer prior to buying stating that RL's can have clearance issues.
As far as the header itself... you might need to educate yourself on header design prior to claiming that it is 'terrible'. Two locals have it, and love it. I bought one, and loved it.... I recently sold it (to go the custom route), and the new owner says that he loves it.
I've stated this many times over... what you people think you know about the JBP header is complete ****. 'Many people' haven't posted a loss... one guy did... on a blown engine (I won't get into that, though).
I've put down over 280 on it. Two of the others with it have punched through 340 with it. There is nothing wrong with the headers design.... period!

And I'll state this again... JBP customer service =/= JBP products.
Yeah, they have shitty service... but most of their products are pretty decent.

Now, is there anyone else that has a misconception about JBP products? Or maybe someone else who wants to post false info about the header?
Cause I'm sick of seeing the same uneducated posts over and over again, and having to correct them.

 

There was more to Rod's JBP fail than jus customer service lots of things they did incorrectly I think they were in over there heads on that. as far as their products I have never used them due to their name being dragged through the mud everywhere and high prices

 

i'm talking about clearances on the header.. someone i know that had one had 2 primaries touching (just like deathsythe who dynoed a loss, and is not the ONLY one to dyno a loss) and i dont care what you think.. fluid dynamics is fluid dynamics.. the more bends a header has .. the WORSE IT IS FOR FLOW.. i think the promaries are only 1.68 when for that header to flow correctly they'd need to be closer to 2 inches..

the person with the cams was a 2.4

soo yeaa.. there goes your whole theory.. he's not the only one that has had issues.. congradulations you and some other people like your severely flawed head.. that doesnt make it a good product

 

I am not out to put "decent products" on my car, its either all or nothing, cheap parts yield cheap results!!!

 

You can do a search on these forums and find alot of people who have not gained anything but lost hp with the vortex header.

 

? why did you quote me

 

First off... use spell check or go to back to school or something... cause I have no clue what the **** you are trying to say half the time.

Now; of the guy with the Tri-flows has a 2.4L... ok, then why did you bring it up?
Scott has an LSJ, I have an LSJ, we're talking about LSJ's... so what does 2.4L tri-flows have to do with this discussion?

About the header... bet you are one of those guys that lives by the bendy straw idea, huh? You probably also think that bigger primaries = more power... huh? Well, you are talking about fluid dynamics, but you clearly have no experience in that field... so please don't talk about it anymore.
I'm a mechanical designer by trade... and have worked with flow properties for number of years... believe me when I say that your logic about that header is beyond flawed. Bends, when properly accounted for, are not a flow inhibitor.... by your logic, all BMW's, Ferrari's, Formula One cars, etc, and such should all be making no power at all... cause they use some of the wildest bent headers you'll ever see.

So, I'll state this again... do you have substantial proof?

 

poly cabs.

That is all

 

Yes. That was a bad idea to start with.... For both of the companies that made them.

 

oh god seriously.. you're going to go to the spell check issue grow up .. i'm at my job sorry i have other things to do then type to you on the internet

and no bigger primaries dont mean more power but for THAT specific header it would help

i really doubt you do any of that.. mr big man

i'm not saying all headers but the JBP head is beyond flawed it WILL NOT flow enough air to support things ..

the 2.4 triflows have to do with it because they were NEVER DELIVERED jebus.. for a mechanical engineer you're surely stupid and fail at reading comprehension

 

Yeah intense was just as bad with copying that mistake. I ran them on my car when they first came out to.

 

Yes... I'm not what I say I am. I've never worked on a vehicle in my life... and never worked on a single flow analysis project.
/sarcasm

I'd like to know how why you think one tuned header is ****... but the rest are great. Especially when the one in question has supported over 340HP on a number of occasions.
I find it strange how this happens so often... facts seem to get over looked because it goes against 'what people say'.
I know you are on RLF... maybe you should do a search for the full long explanation as to the details behind that header. There is more than substantial information there.... you just have to look for it.

As far as the Tri-flows.... How can you rip on a cam that was never delivered? Again... that is a customer service issue not a product issue.... but yeah, apparently I'm the one that doesn't read.