Hey guys, been a while since I last posted anything up here. I've been out of the racing subject for a while lol, all I would do is couple pulls here and there and haven't been to any meets or anything. So since this saturday when some of us met at the Tropical park meet down here in Miami, it made me want to go ahead with the idea of putting E85 on my nitrous setup, thanks to the pulls i did against a Scion TC Turbo and Jonathan's Bolt.

I wanted to get an idea of what u guys think? I am on 2.8/60s I/DP/ 2.5 Exhaust, also a set of Stage 1 axles and a 75 wet shot. I am thinking on going up on 80# injectors and obviously retuning. So Joe if u get to read this post I am giving u a heads up, also was thinking if u would be to busy or anything, X can give me a hand. I wanted to tune it up on the Dyno this time, so I was thinking having a dyno day so the dyno people don't start saying crap about someone else tuning on their dyno. Whatever inputs I get here are more then welcomed.

 

I am running E85 on nitrous.

When your baby screams and whines give it the bottle...Nitrous Trifecta GMS3 - Saturn ION RedLine Forums

Get the Trifecta Stage 3 PCM. I like it.

 

Ur using a 50 shot? and what else do u have on the RL?

 

prolly the same bolt ons as you, if not more. hes been around the block ... a few times.

 

Yeah I saw his signature link, but I think that 303 is without bottle. I think I am making more then 303 right now with bottle. So I want to know what to look forward to. I was thinking like 340whp more or less on bottle but maybe I will need to put a full 3" catback. Also my biggest worry is holding it running that safe not having to worry SO much.

 

Yes. I am a *****.

303 is off the bottle.

My nitrous work with E85 has been sort of limited. I have probably "sprayed" about ten times with relatively safe levels of timing. I will probably never go higher then a 50 shot just because I am not that crazy.

But nitrous is a safe power adder with a good tune. I recommend the Trifecta GMS3 PCM because it works like a window switch but it is tied into your PCM. I have it setup as a Wet kit so the PCM does not add any fuel.

I actually should have some dyno results in the next couple of week. I made 303whp on a 2.6" E85. On nitrous, I will probably run a 2.8" pulley just to stay on the safe side. I would expect anywhere from 330-340whp and 325wtq.

So to comment on your setup, I think you have the right idea. You car should handle a 75 shot but don't get too greedy.

 

lol thanks for the input, I was also thinking that right now I have the stock headers, and a 2.5catback with only a 3" DP catless. Would be better if I get a straight 3" and the headers. Might be easier to get that power out of the setup. I was also thinking on the 3" intake but maybe that will be later on.

 

Go for it! where do u get those injectors btw?

 

I might be getting them from OTTP they seem to be the cheapest. I am not going with used injectors anymore, Joe has scared the crap out of me with the 60's I have now LOL! He says they are totally different then how he has tuned other 60's, so I am going to spend a little more to get the right stuff.

(EDIT) Actually nvmind ZZP they are around the same price, but I have had better service with them.

 

3" cat-backs are too loud. I would start with that stock manifold first. Then replace to the 2.25" bend in your stock cat-back.

If you don't care about sound then go with a 3" cat-back right away.

 

I already have a full 2.5" Megan but with a custom DynoMax Muffler. That helped lower the loudness a bit. I am not sure if I should just get custom piping instead of buying from ZZP or any other vendor here. Don't know what will come out to be cheaper.

 

I would just upgrade that stock manifold then. You could stay on the cheap side by getting one of those Mad-bam or CA V2 headers which would work with your DP. Or if you got the extra $$$ you could consider a long tube header.

 

I was considering it but I don't know if for the money that it costs, it's worth getting, over just getting the headers. U think it will make a big difference???

 

idk. Anything will be better then the stock manifold.

 

I don't think just the 80#s on stock fuel system will be enough for E and a wet shot.

Never used E on M62, though.

Nice thing about E and Nitrous is you don't need to retard much timing, if any.

 

X told me to get return style if I went to 80's on E.
I should have went to the meet but didnt believe Jon when he said alot of Miami balts were going as most of them bailed on the meet a few weeks ago.

 

Yeah that's one of the many I couldn't go to. But I want to get some things done now and get back on going to meets and stuff like that.

So u also suggest doing return style lines, do u know how much that would be??

 

If you want cheap side, the ZZP BRFS works perfectly for me, but the OTTP stuff is nice because you can adjust pressure in the engine bay. The ZZP one is underneath the car by gas tank :/

But it's a "set it once and forget it" part.

 

Let's see if we can work without the return style cause I don't got enough for everything at once. Also keep in mind I am only doing a 75 which is like a 23 gas nozzle. It's not huge or anything so I think we should be fine, if not we'll see.

Anything else I should keep an eye out for before I start buying anything???

 

Its fine on a 50 shot. I don't know about a 75.

I have a few different tunes from Vince for the GMS3. Some retard timing, some don't. My plan is to not retard the timing but I am not going to run ***** to the walls either. Probably just 23-24 degrees at WOT.

There is not proof of this. You should not repeat it.

If you want a cleaner install you could buy an OTTP Return Style fuel rail fitting and use that as your nitrous supply line.



I bought one for that purpose but I have not hooked it up yet.

 

As he said below




Better to be safe cause remember e85 needs about 30% more fuel plus you are spraying a wet 75 shot on top of it. Ask here or with joe or x about the fuel jet size cause u may need to go up cause of the E.


ZZP brps if only $199. I mean no offense but if you cant afford that and the 80's then hold off cause it will cost u in the long run in either a retune or blown motor cause of a lean condition. That is the reason I havent gone to 80's's and E cause X told me to get the return style and I cant afford a return style on top of the

If you get a return style especially the BRPS you will have to retune costing you more money in the end. Play it safe in get the BRFS and 80's at the same time.


If anything lay off of the bottle for a little bit and save some money that way.

 

I have edited my post to remove it.

 

Thanks for the info, I haven't done MUCH running on bottle only when needed. Just to tell u that I've only filled it up 2 times in like 8 months or so. But that's also cause I had my license on hardship so I tried to calm myself lol. Anyway, I guess I can get both things at once. I've been talking to Joe thru texts, he didn't say anything about getting BRPS but I'll ask him, and also X hasn't come by this thread, if u got his number text him tell him to check this out like that can he comment on this.

What I wanted to do is tune on the dyno this time, not because I think it's better, but because I want to see some numbers. I've been told a couple of times that I should be running harder for what I am using. I think that had to do with the tuning when Joe did it, most of the time I went without time to spare, it was just to get it done and go. So I want to dedicate time on this one to have it good.

Maybe we can all meet up at a dyno one of these saturday's and do couple of runs each like that the dyno guys don't say anything about someone else tuning on their dyno. What do u think???

 

Well I am on on a 2.8 with similar mods minus the spray. I would run u off spray to see where u stand.


I text X a min ago.

 

We can do that if u want. But remember that tuning for bottle makes u run less when ur off it. So there might be a difference. But would be good to try anyways.