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Old 06-21-2012, 11:18 PM
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Heat gun + tstat = ???

So, just installed my ZZP engine and have connected all the coolant hoses and attempted to fill the engine with freah fluid with little success.

My question is : do you thin i can externally heat the tstat housing with a heat gun to 185 deg to get coolant to enter the block prior to first fire.

In addition, does anyone know if the short term of running the motor with coolant in the head but not the block will cause issues on a ZZP forged short block OR if running the water pump dry will cause issues?

A fellow cobalt guy told me i should drill a small hole in the tstat, however that is not an easy task given the current state of install... Wish i had done that prior to hoisting the engine in to the bay...

Im hoping i can prime the coolant using a heat gun on the outside of the housing? Any thoughts?
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My ZZP block is on the way so in for info.
Old 06-21-2012, 11:30 PM
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FYI the coolant will not enter the block as long as the tstat is closed.

Head, oil cooler, and radiator are prefilled...
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slightly disconnect a line going into the heater core to purge air out. or fill it from there too.
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While i agree, filling from there may help, that does not break vacuum on the coolant system enough to initiate flow
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Maybe take the t-stat out and start the engine? install it again once you know there is coolant flowing through everything?
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Well that was my 2 cents. That's how I do it at work... You can either do that or vacuum fill it with the necessary tool.
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The question was if you think heating the outside of the housing would open the tstat

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Maybe take the t-stat out and start the engine? install it again once you know there is coolant flowing through everything?
Difficult to do at this stage

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No that would not work, there is no way a heat gun could heat it enough to melt the wax inside.
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Wax??? Im not sure you understand how a thermostat operates

Heat deforms a spring in which opens a "valve"

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Some how I was led to believe they were wax, unless they were and they changed to a better way.
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AllData shows to Vacuum fill it. I still think you should be able to remove a heater core hose and bleed the air out as much as possible. A minimum of a gallon should go in then it should be able to be run and topped up from there.
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Wax would be a one time shot: melting between 115 and 154F.

Most thermostats, including home AC ones utilize the bourdon concept
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HowStuffWorks "How does the thermostat in a car's cooling system work?"


according to that, it is wax inside.


although i do think that newer ones do use springs.
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I have 1 1/2 gal of 50/50 mix in there now, but none in the block as i can ser
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most cars take 1.5 Gallons then just bits here and there to top them off. you should be good.
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I doubt wax is applied, the ethyl glycol would dissolve it rapidly
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No the wax is encased in a cylinder and sealed shut. Look at a picture and it'll make sense on how it works, I'm sure your right about the spring changing pressure and moving the valve too. There is always more than one way to do something.
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"Wax pellet thermostat:

A thermostat in which the expansion of melting paraffin wax (in a rigid cylinder) deforms a molded rubber membrane and displaces a piston/pin from the cylinder; this has the advantage of being insensitive to sudden temperature fluctuations or to the pressure in the system"

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Curious now As to principal of operation...

Anyway... The fill capacity is close to 3 gal and in sure none is in the block as of now
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Validator: appreciate the fact check on your statement!
Always a learning expirience

Not sure on my next move however...
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Touche. Well I still say remove the upper heater hose to let air escape. I worked on a VW that Alldata specified to partially remove the upper hose to reveal a small bleeder hole in the hose that would allow the air to bleed out.. When I checked the hose it even had markings on it and said hole.
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On lsj, there is not the sane bleeder system unfortunatly... The block is sealed until tstat is opened AFAICT
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Yes but you still get heat inside the cabin without the Thermostat being opened cause at least 1 line is connected between the Thermostat and pump. So when you undo that line the air will bleed out and allow the lower rad hose to fill the block with water until it comes out from said undone hose... Please tell me that makes sense.
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I get it but look at the connections on the tstat housing... The lower rad hose is above the tstat, there is no flow into the block until valve is open...


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