1760 w/o me in it.

ok so lets drop 1k off the balt and see what we run .. sunshine.. NO stock honda weighs 1700 lbs..

they dropped 2-300 lbs off that car not to mention that the K20 is heavier then the stock motor.. yes the motor might be cabable of it if you drop it into another vehicle but you could run 11's if you dropped an ls2 into the balt as well

 

lol his car weighs 1700 lbs w/o him in it.... Let me swap my 2.0 in his car and put some slicks on it... I'll hit 11's all day too...

 

then do it.

now we're getting into power to weight.

 

There ya go.... I'll agree that a k20 can run 11's bone stock blah blah blah 1700 lbs... If I put a the lsj in my street bike I could run 10's....

 

that bitch better be in the ****** 8's.

just an FYI. the fastest cobalts do not run an lsj engine

 

your right the run 2.16 bore blocks with modded saab heads and blah blah blah... but they're ecotecs..

 

Ok, so agreed. A k20 can run 11's... A cobalt could too stock with 1200 lbs weight reduction...

Anyone wanna knock off 1200 lbs from there cobalt to prove this for me?

 

l61 block. re-sleeved. lsj head.
lawl

people are way to concerned with power and completely forgot about the weight issue

 

+1

if honda backed the teams like GM does now, the tables would be turned here.

he whom has the most cash, wins.

the K-series is a FANTASTIC engine, so fantastic that every governing body in the 4cyl drag world has mandated a turbo size limitation on them, they are forced to run a minimum of 6mm smaller on the turbo.

for your retards that say that isnt ****....6mm is HUGE in the turbo world.

and even with this limitation the basic head architecture is so well planed out that they are still making the same level of power(more in some cases) as the big dollar ecotec's....

hell, the big dollar stuff isnt even an LSJ, thus making your arguments full of fail.

if we were to level the field on funding and rules, the k-series would beat the ecotec.

end of discussion.

i'll smack talk honda's all day for any number of reasons, but the point still remains the K-series makes dam good power NA, easily mod-able, they respond to boost and the bottle better then the eco, in stock form that can make more power then the LSJ, if you want to compare things engine to engine its not a contest.

the k-series comes with the import things done already (ie awesome flowing head, solid port structure, ect) thus putting it one-up on the eco rite outta the box.

another eample.

RSX (K20) when they want to go bossted, offten run GT35R's at 6-8psi.....

why you might ask, well i'll tell ya...

because that god dam engine moves so much air stock (200hp NA) that any less of a turbo runs out of flow up top.

and even so, a local 35R car at 9psi made 380whp.....my cobalt on the other had took 21psi to make 388 and 26psi to make 426whp (it blew up 4 days later)

efficiency much?

the eco is GM's greatest 4cyl of all time, but its lacking in several of the most important places. solid yes, full of technologies....not so much.

 

^^^^ Yet still holds the most records for a 4 cylinder out right now. Never said the Honda engine was bad, just that the ECOTEC is better.

 

you sir, are wrong.

See "factory backed teams" and "unlimited funding"

line #2

 

depends on the engine my friend.. some of them use a modified saab head least from what i remember them saying at the gm owners meet

 

Really? Who holds all the speed records for a 4 cylinder right now? Got a clue for you, it isn't Honda. And since when does where the money come from matter? It still holds the records. Oh and the records it holds were ones that it took by breaking those done by Honda's.

 

pop the coil cover off an lsj. look over at the number 4 coil pack. it says SAAB in nice letters on the side of the valve cover.

the water pipe on the back side of the engine says saab

 

Doesn't GM own SAAB or have a strong intrest in the company?

 

funding is the key. can gm afford to blow 20 blocks apart? yulp.

can stephanie eggum?
**** no.

where do you think the ecotec came from

 

06black said it best.

Boosted, a K-20 is about damn near 50x better than a ECOTEC.

Only 2 Honda motors I have respect for are the F20C/F22C(S2000) and the K-20 series.

 

Thats what I was getting at

 

That because the Jap's know how to build quality stuff. If America had the same goals, just think of the possibilties. But where stuck with unions to make sure **** is QauItYE checked.

Yes K-20 are beast on boost.

What else do you guys drive other than the cobalt then?

 

my boy is at 454whp on stock block. and who is also in the 11s

 

that's a ******* sexy beast

 

Don't take this hard dude. I just have to put up with this all the time. I have had my ass handed to me on the track by a K20. But it didn't help his father is loaded and owns a shop for them to play with.

I just like my ecotec thats all. **** I know I will never be able be a fast as others.

 

How about me spanking an RSX-S by bus lengths with a S2 SS/SC??

 

x2..........

Area47. Did you mean 11s boosted.

 

assjockey,

read this slow, maybe you'll then have the attention span and comprehending skills to understand a key point to this little debate.

the eco's do own many records, all held previously by Honda's. None the less the point being that if Honda, as a whole company were to set out with its own development group with in the company and give it the budget that GM-R has, then those records would once again by owned by Honda.

having the backing of a multi-billion dollar company, that has its own internal segment dedicated to racing, makes braking records far more plausible then if you were to do it as a team, just like every Honda recored holder in the past.

this can all be simplified by saying the fallowing.

"if honda backed the teams like GM does now, the tables would be turned here.

he whom has the most cash, wins."

that should sound familiar.

because stg2 is sooooo fast.