High flow intake manifold***picking off where rebel stopped**
07-15-2009, 11:10 AM
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You don't know much about air to water setups do you. A little ice and it'll go over 100%.Who the **** runs ice in there water to air all the time? Oh, I forgot to mention when you heat up ice it MELTS!! REALLY NO ****!!! NOT LYING!!!
If it'll make you feel better I'll agree with you.
You are correct. For a company, it is cheaper to go air to air. But if you're upgrading everything, it's not that much more for a good water to air setup.
lol not much more... ok, you wait and see...
Wrong. I bet this manifold provides better numbers then the one guy who has done an air to air. I don't know get how you think air to air cools better?
Since when are we betting, this guy has proof his numbers are already way better than your setup will get.
There are no laminova cores on this new manifold which is why it'll work so well. It will be able to cool very effectivly.
at you...
07-15-2009, 11:11 AM
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Air to water equals better cooling because you can achieve over 100% effciency and shorter piping for quicker spool time, if turbo or centfigual supercharger. On a roots blower it's almost necessary just to allow the shortest length of piping possible.
If you knew the advantages of air to water, and how they work, you'd want one for every kind of forced induction.
If you knew the advantages of air to water, and how they work, you'd want one for every kind of forced induction.
But if the stock LSJ IM is a restriction for the M62 then why can turbo converts run through it and make big hp?
If it is sooo restrictive for the output of the M62, shouldn't it be that much more restrictive for a power adder with more output?
Good luck guys!
07-15-2009, 11:17 AM
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You don't know much about air to water setups do you. A little ice and it'll go over 100%.If it'll make you feel better I'll agree with you.
You are correct. For a company, it is cheaper to go air to air. But if you're upgrading everything, it's not that much more for a good water to air setup.
Wrong. I bet this manifold provides better numbers then the one guy who has done an air to air. I don't know get how you think air to air cools better?
There are no laminova cores on this new manifold which is why it'll work so well. It will be able to cool very effectivly.
lol not much more... ok, you wait and see...
Since when are we betting, this guy has proof his numbers are already way better than your setup will get.
So what you said right there to me is... no laminova cores... YEY!!! Now because there are no more laminova cores, it can finally cool air effectivly... You dumb ass the laminovas cool the air down! you make it sound like they are heating thing up... What I think you are trying to say is that the laminovas deter the air flow, so if there aren't any if will FLOW effectively...
at you...I agree with you. But I am keeping an open mind about this project.
But if the stock LSJ IM is a restriction for the M62 then why can turbo converts run through it and make big hp?
If it is sooo restrictive for the output of the M62, shouldn't it be that much more restrictive for a power adder with more output?
Good luck guys!
But if the stock LSJ IM is a restriction for the M62 then why can turbo converts run through it and make big hp?
If it is sooo restrictive for the output of the M62, shouldn't it be that much more restrictive for a power adder with more output?
Good luck guys!
I am leaving this discussion due to all the completely illogical/retarded comment on here... I get more and more stupid the more I read all this ****.... if you guys are designing this manifold, it should be one HELL of a failure....
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07-15-2009, 11:33 AM
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You could probably learn a lot from this thread by reading everyone opinion's and trying to understand them EVEN if they are different then your own.
Instead you remain close minded and nit pick meaning less parts of OPs post in order to insult them.
This is true. But big hp can be made with the stock LSJ IM.
Its obvious that this discuss is above your head.
If you have something meaningful to add we encourage you to stay and share your opinion. That is what forums are all about.
But I can tell from your attitude and the weak case you made for air/air setups you are probably better off trolling in another thread.
Back on topic please.
Instead you remain close minded and nit pick meaning less parts of OPs post in order to insult them.
If you have something meaningful to add we encourage you to stay and share your opinion. That is what forums are all about.
But I can tell from your attitude and the weak case you made for air/air setups you are probably better off trolling in another thread.
Back on topic please.
07-15-2009, 11:41 AM
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You could probably learn a lot from this thread by reading everyone opinion's and trying to understand them EVEN if they are different then your own.
Instead you remain close minded and nit pick meaning less parts of OPs post in order to insult them.
This is true. But big hp can be made with the stock LSJ IM.
Its obvious that this discuss is above your head.
If you have something meaningful to add we encourage you to stay and share your opinion. That is what forums are all about.
But I can tell from your attitude and the weak case you made for air/air setups you are probably better off trolling in another thread.
Back on topic please.
Instead you remain close minded and nit pick meaning less parts of OPs post in order to insult them.
This is true. But big hp can be made with the stock LSJ IM.
Its obvious that this discuss is above your head.
If you have something meaningful to add we encourage you to stay and share your opinion. That is what forums are all about.
But I can tell from your attitude and the weak case you made for air/air setups you are probably better off trolling in another thread.
Back on topic please.
07-15-2009, 12:00 PM
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07-15-2009, 12:00 PM
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numbers vary from car to car of course but that's way too high.
when are you taking these readings also?
07-15-2009, 12:09 PM
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I have an interceptor that usually reads within 3 degrees of ambient for the iat1. I have pretty good reason to believe that it is right. The ic pump isn't bad because I have a steady stream of coolant coming back from my tap at the top of the stock h/e. No i/c pump..., so stream of orange **** into the option b tank. I also know the plumbing for the dual pass is right since the laminovas were positioned the right way. In the middle and out the sides if I'm not mistaken. When the weather was slightly cooler, the iat's were about 20 degrees cooler. But that still doesn't explain why my ambient temps would be about 20 degrees above ambient, which is what the iat1 reading is for.
However, a kink is not out of the question. the readings are taken at the end of a second gear pull.
However, a kink is not out of the question. the readings are taken at the end of a second gear pull.
07-15-2009, 01:06 PM
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Please guys, honestly, prove me wrong and I will be the laughing stock of this thread... but until you make your cost effective newly designed intake manifold that actually cools better than freaks AIR<AIR.... I'm right...
07-15-2009, 06:09 PM
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you really do fail. If you disagree with whats being said, then say so, and give reasons why....dont flame the other person like a retard
BTW, you can also achieve 100% efficiency through something like a killer chiller, if you can get it to drop the temps enough (ive never run them, and dont know typical temp drops), and that WILL be on 100% of the time...
Ice always works for the 1/4 mile
07-16-2009, 01:29 AM
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Well, first thing I'll say, is that all the people posting up 'concept' manifolds clearly don't understand what the set back is when building one of these LSJ mani's. There is a serious amount of interference that puts a large strain on the designer, to design a good flowing system, while maintaining stock mounting positions.
Obstacles... yes.
Time is the biggest problem... as well as mining and oil companies bumping me out of the way for prototype parts.
But besides that;
Yes, an initial proto was made.
Were there gains from ditching the lami's? I don't know. The manifold I used has a better flow pattern than the stock system. I'm hoping to test against an external W-A IC using the OEM laminovas in the coming year, time and supplier permitting.
Water meth is a poor primary cooling mod.
I would never scrap a real intercooler for water/meth.... ever.
tell me how?I am very interested ....but nothing here explains the "how"... certainly getting rid of the laminova is not a sure fire way to reduce temps....if it was , dont you think it would have been done like 5 - 6 years ago? I think it was Omega 5 ?? who has been trying something like this for some time now and found the obstacles insurmountable. This isnt about finding a fabricator, Vulcan can fabricate some awesome stuff. its about cooling engineering. Thats hard.
Time is the biggest problem... as well as mining and oil companies bumping me out of the way for prototype parts.
But besides that;
Yes, an initial proto was made.
Were there gains from ditching the lami's? I don't know. The manifold I used has a better flow pattern than the stock system. I'm hoping to test against an external W-A IC using the OEM laminovas in the coming year, time and supplier permitting.
I would never scrap a real intercooler for water/meth.... ever.
07-16-2009, 12:00 PM
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I volunteered the manifold and cost of shipping to help the LSJ owners. I hope that still happens without people having to pay up front before seeing a final product.
07-16-2009, 12:38 PM
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07-16-2009, 02:26 PM
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No offence to vulcan but you guys shouldn't be paying before a product is completed. I'm sure Vulcan will make a quality product but I doubt even they know it will work before it is tested. Plus it sets a horrible precedence to customers having to pay for a product to be developed. Yeah the ecomony is crap but the venders need to be the ones taking the risks in this type of business