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how not to make a timing table PART 2!

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Old Oct 27, 2012 | 02:15 AM
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how not to make a timing table PART 2!

Mods this is me posting and hosting all the info that has been posted before. If your going to lock then please PM me with a good reason why or let this thread run it's course unless more bashing on CCS3's end continues... Im not bashing just bringing to light what was apparently in the dark....

THIS IS NOT HOW YOU TUNE AN LSJ.
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Areas comments which i agree with...
lesson time kids

deviating from the stock timing curve will yield less over all horsepower and torque. peak torque happens at peak cylinder pressure. which is why you see less commanded timing in these load cells. as rpm increases, cylinder pressure drops. this is why you see an increase of timing after peak torque to make up for the loss of cylinder pressure.

going 10 degree's above MBT will just result in unneeded wear on the rod bearings as they that a lot of the force exerted when combustion hits. {see blown up lnf pics for reference}

running 11-13 degree's of ignition timing in the part throttle cells can result in high egt's which can translate into higher than desired egt's in higher load cells.

And vanders tune which isnt far from the horrid timing tables from above...
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Old Oct 27, 2012 | 02:20 AM
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Cliff notes are TOO MUCH timing. And i only wish i had access to the tune where i was told in PM that he left it open loop and over 25 degrees of timing... I hope this forum learns from this!!!
Old Oct 27, 2012 | 02:38 AM
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Smoothed stock (GMS2) timing table ftw.

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Old Oct 27, 2012 | 02:55 AM
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Originally Posted by chris88z24
Smoothed stock (GMS2) timing table ftw.
I had a GMS2 car Five years ago.. But are not able to post the timing table as i dont have HPT anymore but HIS S2+ table was not as scary as a GMPPS2 table. If you do please post it as it was contested in the last locked thread but not clearly understood... Could any TRUE innovators please post up...? As well most of the threads where i call this tuner out/stoop to his level get LOCKED. Hmmm wonder why...? Try to tell me multiple accounts.. i dare you!

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Old Oct 27, 2012 | 03:05 AM
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In before the lock, I have the GMS2 tables somewhere, Ill see if I can get a screenshot of them.
Old Oct 27, 2012 | 03:09 AM
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In before the lock, I have the GMS2 tables somewhere, Ill see if I can get a screenshot of them.
Well with no question as to who/what IP posted this why would it be locked? Im hosting and using nothing but information on this very forum!
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Here is a GM stage 2 HO table I pulled from an 06 SS. Someone wanted it posted and I remembered I had one lol

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I thought the only GMS tune that had a H/O (high octane) was stage 3 and properly dual pass/opt B equipped? Am i wrong?
Old Oct 27, 2012 | 03:24 AM
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They all have high octane and low octane tables.

I used the latest GMS2 release when I tuned my car, and I think they changed the timing table from the initial release. Can't quite remember...
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just throwing this out their, cause all your doing is flaming on this tuner, and being disrespectful. their is a new thread that has been started about tuning, and this is not needed anymore cause its not gonna go good at all.
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but it is. cause every thread where said tuner has been called out has been locked for some BS reason or another Which most are locked without a mod posting.. Im just stating FACTS. If the mods want to ban me/lock thread FINE! If this forum does not want to learn then well..... I am respectful as i have not talked any personal **** which Said tuner has MANY TIMES without a lock until someone stooped to his level including me... I can post links to prove im not wrong..
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We know the rules, thanks. Hope your truck doesn't blow up.
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When will you guys grow up and get a life? Seriously? Start a thread and say this isn't to bash but get my name is still there and I get a pm from the op talking ****. Great one. Really... And then doing this^ grow up
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Old Oct 27, 2012 | 03:44 AM
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Originally Posted by thedubsack85
but it is. cause every thread where said tuner has been called out has been locked for some BS reason or another Which most are locked without a mod posting.. Im just stating FACTS. If the mods want to ban me/lock thread FINE! If this forum does not want to learn then well..... I am respectful as i have not talked any personal **** which Said tuner has MANY TIMES without a lock until someone stooped to his level including me... I can post links to prove im not wrong..
yeah, you posted this stuff and the thread got locked cause it started a war, now your posting it again and thats all its gonna do again, why not just learn from what happened last time,

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We know the rules, thanks. Hope your truck doesn't blow up.
see and another thing that alot of people don't relieze when they build engines and stuff, even though its tuned in, or what not, the tune can be as safe as can be, but if your going out their day after day and running it to redline constantly, no matter how good that tune is, somethings gonna break.

Now, I built my engine myself, I had a shop build me a 4l60e about 2 years ago, and I just blew it out a few months ago cause I beat the hell out of my truck, am I going to the shop that built it cause it blew from the way I drove it. no, am I complaining to anyone on here that it blew, no, and since I'm ccss3 tuned, am I blaming him for it blowing, no,

all you guys are being is a bunch of little kids wanting to play the blame game and put it on someone else other than the operator. yes we got it, the tune has choppy timing tables, you posted that in your locked thread. give it a rest now and let it die, and stop acting like a 2 year old
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I was NOT the orginial poster of said info. I just copied and uploaded to photobucket. Ive done nothing but put information that has been locked for retarded reasons up again. The Said tuner has pretty much confirmed that he know's nothing (over PM's) other than to talk smack on me via a locked thread and PM'S And if needed ill post the threads/PM's where he talked nothing but **** on me while i called out his so called knowledge and proved along with many other's that well his tuning is nothing special...


And if ^ was true why would any tuner make a statement that nomatter what it was a safe tune.. If said tuner spends an hour plus on a tune then what conditions is he not able to see? Not a single thing except that tuner can never be wrong over the internet can it...? :LOL:

Cause what happened last time was i was flamed on a more than personal level more than once but yet no lock untill i stooped to his level. How is that a fair shake on a forum...? Hmmm i wonder......

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Originally Posted by thedubsack85
I was NOT the orginial poster of said info. I just copied and uploaded to photobucket. Ive done nothing but put information that has been locked for retarded reasons up again. The Said tuner has pretty much confirmed that he know's nothing other than to talk smack on me via PM. And if needed ill post the threads/PM's where he talked nothing but **** on me while i called out his so called knowledge and proved along with many other's that well his tuning is nothing special...


And if ^ was true why would any tuner make a statement that nomatter what it was a safe tune.. If said tuner spends an hour plus on a tune then what conditions is he not able to see? Not a single thing except that tuner can never be wrong over the internet can it...? :LOL:
it was locked cause the op was flaming and starting a war, which is a violation of the rules, and your doing the same by reposting that info, read the rules, you really do need to,
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Originally Posted by Chevycobaltss3
When will you guys grow up and get a life? Seriously? Start a thread and say this isn't to bash but get my name is still there and I get a pm from the op talking ****. Great one. Really... And then doing this^ grow up
where is your name other than where the messed up timing tables are shown..? And defmation please continue as the last thread we went back and forth on was you bashing me on a personal level.... But you cant be wrong!
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https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/gene...te-ups-288647/

their, you can stop this thread now, I just showed you were everyone can go to get some more info on tuning,
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it was locked cause the op was flaming and starting a war, which is a violation of the rules, and your doing the same by reposting that info, read the rules, you really do need to,
Said thread that me and said tuner was only locked once i stooped to his level of talking smack and there are more than one. Im not talking about the timing thread version one. As i talked NO smack in it just "lol" at his responses to innovators of this platform..This is me call out thread where it cant be locked for BS multiple account BS. Im posting the same info that's allready on this forum. Dont like it then you have no leg to stand on as you dont know what your talking about when it comes to tuning.

And ^ has nothing to do with the subject on hand. Continue to dig a hole as it makes me laugh! And if you want to post about being respectfull of other members then his ass should have been banned long ago for telling me my mom/me ***** a goat... But he cant be wrong can he...?
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Things just get better and better around here...
Old Oct 27, 2012 | 04:16 AM
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Originally Posted by thedubsack85
Said thread that me and said tuner was only locked once i stooped to his level of talking smack and there are more than one. Im not talking about the timing thread version one. As i talked NO smack in it just "lol" at his responses to innovators of this platform..This is me call out thread where it cant be locked for BS multiple account BS. Im posting the same info that's allready on this forum. Dont like it then you have no leg to stand on as you dont know what your talking about when it comes to tuning.

And ^ has nothing to do with the subject on hand. Continue to dig a hole as it makes me laugh!
yes, call out, as in I want to start a fight, you siad it right their, so just stop now,
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Things just get better and better around here...
Well all hope is people really learn what's what when it comes to there own car's and tunes... So yes in the end it will get better i hope! Or get worse in which case well you cant control everything but hey blowing up a few car's over the internet is getting better by this forums standards than i have nothing to add i guess!!
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Originally Posted by brian.olsson
yes, call out, as in I want to start a fight, you siad it right their, so just stop now,
im not the one who started anything but asking what his automotive knowledge is. which judging by his tunes is not safe/or really anything but he charges for it! Would you really want to pay for a tune that will create premature engine wear? Im still not talking **** on a personal level like said tuner has. Your blind confidence only show's who you follow... And it makes me laugh. Lock the thread and ban me if im wrong but atleast post WHY if your a mod. Untill then please Stop posting!
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Originally Posted by thedubsack85
Well all hope is people really learn what's what when it comes to there own car's and tunes... So yes in the end it will get better i hope! Or get worse in which case well you cant control everything but hey blowing up a few car's over the internet is getting better by this forums standards than i have nothing to add i guess!!
hmmmmm, yeah, you have nothing to add, and you proved your point right their, your trying to tell everyone not to get tuned by james, we understand that,

now I want to hear how your obeying the rules of not flaming someone



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