I was wondering if I get a meth kit, will I still have to run more cooling mods? I have a stage 3 h/e right now. But I saw on some sites that meth kits are listed under cooling mods. Just curious if Meth had anything to do with additional cooling.

 

meth is a cooling method and a power adder. It gives you higher octane to increase the timing for more power. At the same time it provides a huge decrease in IAT2 temps. If you have meth and a h/e already you will be fine for any size pulley on the m62 and tvs.

What other mods do you have? if you are still on stock pulley and injectors, i wouldnt bother with a meth kit yet.

 

I am on 60 lb injectors and a tvs with a stock pulley

 

go to bed lol

 

meth is used to advance timing...

 

Haha NICK soon enough man soon enough! You sleep when you die is the way I look at it. Just trying to find the next bang for my buck so to speak haha

 

WRONG.

meth is not a cooling method, it is an octane booster. water injection is a cooling mod. thats why u do both. upping octane allows u to run more timing, lower intake temps prevent predetention causing knock.

and ur also wrong on "he will be fine". ask any tuner, any real tuner. there is never enough cooling mods. never in ur life will u hear someone complain their car is running too cold on the track.

 

ok mr. fast and the furious. Common scence says when we are talking about meth injection that water is also included....im not going to insult someones intelligence by explaining what does what. I never said he will have to many cooling mods or running to cold at the track. The OP asked will the meth kit be enough...simple answer...yes. Why dont you go play with your honda civic friends kid.

Anyways...to the OP, yes u will be fine. I ran the tvs with stock pulley, cobalt addiction heat exchanger (which is the smallest one u can get) meth and 2 step colder plugs...ran 25* timing and 11.9 afr...never seen temps about 139* and no knock and in 45*C weather.

 

lol fast and furious? lol kid? lol play with my civic? who u think brought harrop over to these boards? got them interested in building the tvs for the lsj? and one of the first testers of the tvs? tuned some of the fastest lsj's in socal? search the forums a bit newb, u'll learn a lil bit ******.

common "scence" does not say ur running water with ur meth. this is a board full of a lot of people who run **** they have no clue about. 1 kid could read this thread, think he can run a meth kit, run 100% meth and over heat his **** and blow his ring lands out and have no clue why. informing people on what does what, and why its used and how ITS NOT ENOUGH ******* COOLING FOR A SUPERCHARGED CAR is what helps the community, its trolls like u who just throw out a yes its cool bro that dont help.

and 139 degree iat2 temps with meth aint something to brag about.

 

Raven you must be trippin... What you tuned wasn't fast at all
Your car blew up unfortunately... then there was that cole jr guy? His 2.7 setup was marginal at best, just saying... :/
Maybe you've progressed since then, but last I heard about the socal lsjs you tuned, they weren't fast by todays standards. Maybe 3 years ago?
Quickest LSJ in socal was hungryciphippo, and he had a mixture of his own tuning w/ the help of shaun(04redline)


Any who... To break it down a little more.

Water and methanol are both cooling and anti detonation agents in their own respects.
Water has a considerably greater heat latency vs methanol thus why it cools substantially better.
Water is also incapable of combusting, thus why it acts as a octane booster as well. Thats why you may hear or read that water is a infinite octane in articles.
The down side to running 100% water is that it cannot be burned and slows combustion down, losing hp.

Methanol has a lesser heat latency and evaporates nearly instantaneously.
It also provides a very high octane, 115+, depending on which alcohol you use.
It is also combustable and requires a tune depending on the jetting vs setup.

Note: Adding water/meth to the mixture reduces EGTs, provides excellent air temp control and eliminates detonation. The down side is it increases cylinder pressure.

To the OP... you do not need water/methanol injection until you start pushing that tvs to the point where your 91-93 octane simply cannot provide you with enough timing to even warrant use of the tvs. For every degree you can advance, the potential of roughly 2-6whp is what your missing out on. Until then... save your pennies.

I highly recommend you read this article on Alcohol Injection Systems website. Same goes to all of you who need a refresher; you may learn a thing or two.

http://www.alcoholinjectionsystems.c...icle_info.html

 

missed u too stevo

 

hiya

long time no see

wasnt knocking ya, just things have changed since you were around in the lsj world... damn has it rly been that long?
Back then Shaun's 2.6 on meth was the quickest **** since sliced bread in socal. (even on 3.5 cylinders lmao)

 

As i recall didnt you blow 2 of your engines up? I ran meth on a 50/50 and then a 75/25 mix...ran at the drag strip plenty of times and never once had issues. I'm sure you will come back and say something about why your engine blew, theres only 3 reasons though. Lack of skill tuning, lack of skill building engines or lack of skill driving...either way, if you popped the engine 2 times then decided to buy a civic...you shouldnt be near a car. And i dont recall your name ever coming up for anything to do with the TVS...WickedSS did all the testing for our board and supplied all the info...

 

I see u still do ur edits steve. which goes to show ur still a nutriding bitch. all of the cars i tuned proved themselves on the track, and yeah, maybe that was 3/4 years ago but still proved themselves none the less. shaun was/is (idk what he's doing now) a great tuner also. but its also always easy to claim best/fastest when its over the internet. im done talking to u, cuz all uve done is said the same **** i did, but tried to sound smarter by using big words.


as for srt10, yes, I blew 2 engines. once was my own fault and a learning experiece which back then started happening to everyone by overboosting and blowing some **** up. thats what happens when ur there in the beginning. second engine was my fault again for going thru a shop that was up and coming and did a horrible job at rebuilding. I didnt pop 2 engines, and decide to buy a civic, a lot more goes into a decision like that than that. and if i recall. there was about 5/6 testers of the tvs, and im not sure wicked was one of them. although he did step up and buy one and did this community a great favor by taking it as far as he has. every other tester (to my kownledge) moved on (which obviously u did too) from a vehicle that has very little aftermarket support and make such tiny power. i only stuck around because of the friends I made, built a civic that ran low 11s and got a magazine feature then moved on to evo's. its the way of life.

now that u know my life story lol, back to the point at hand, between drinking (cuz i obviously didnt catch the fast and furious reference when i did the quote from it in the first place lol) and the annoyance of people putting out half assed information on this board (which has ALWAYS been an issue) i decided to put it out there. meh, it is what it is. either way, op do all the cooling mods u can. u can never have enough.

 

I'm still rocking one of the original blowers from Witt's car

Good to see you around again guy.

 

i just seen u on aim lastnight. didnt know if u were still in it. i see ur making good power, didnt witt get a mustang?

 

Oh raven... you crack me up... same ole angelo i guess

More along the lines of correcting you, OP is a newb to water injection, your response was null at best.

 

Thread Jack?? Lol BACK TO THE TOPIC. You are telling me I will only gain 2-6 hp from meth.. that is impossible.

 

Per degree advanced. You will not gain anything without tuning for it.

 

When you run meth you need to be tuned for it, since the meth allows you to run more timing, the advancement of timing is what gives you more power. If your running the TVS with only a h/e as a cooling mod, im guessing you are already heat soaking bad. Just taking a wild guess he so dont shoot the messenger but you could see about 15-20hp increase with the meth...depending on how agressive the tune is.

 

heres a good example...

On 24 psi, most I could get was 7-8* advance on 91 octane.

Added meth to the mix and I was able to advance to 25*

did a little dyno tuning and testing of different timing maps, etc... for every degree I advanced I saw 3-4whp increase.

 

for my info i'm building my motor should pick it up friday, been thinking about running meth . whats a good meth setup for me I don't race my car much and I take 6 hr trips sometime . and do I have to have a big meth tank? and I have 60 injecter. put in wiseco piston 8.9:1 eagle rods , zzp stage 2 cams and I ported my head some help me out here if i do meth i need to order it today. also should i install the meth now or with till i put about 2000 miles on my car and Vince is do my tune

 

All the water/meth setups do the same thing. If your looking to to cut cost and piece together your kit, go w/ a AEM or Devils Own. Otherwise Alcohol Injection Systems provides the nicest(IMO) and easiest to put together kit on the market for greater cost.

The injection process is only engaged when you go WOT, so a 3 gallon would be more than sufficient. Definitely have it installed so that Vince can tune with your methanol on, otherwise you spent a chunk of change on a box that holds water.

 

the OP has option B and Dual pass on the way to add to that list of cooling mods, also it has a bad-mab header and a 3" catless downpipe to help with the flow for cooling as well.

 

Woooh holy camouflage. In a tree. . Lol. U wiont technically gain alot from just putting the Meth kit on. Meth/water is used to lower iat2s which cause your car to run more timing. (You advance timing in the low and high octane maps and get rid of all spark adders ) and there is the mixture. Of course lean it out a bit and so forth but you need to tune for it.. That was simply stated. There's more to it. Just a easier way to understand. If you have questions pm me man so you get the correct info in one line. Raven, 100%Meth are correct lol just some others are rambling.... For all the ones i didn't list Im sorry wasn't saying anything bad i just forgot. To add you in the sentence...