I'm new here, and new to this forum, so excuse my ignorance. lol

But does anyone know of any current mods that will give us more bottom end power? I'm hoping someone is working on something for us, but I'd like to try something now if it's available.

I think my car has decent bottom end power, but more yank would be nice to have. My previous car had a turbo, and I miss that neck whipping yank turbo cars have. The SC is nice and linear, almost too linear. lol

 

Not much out yet for the car, keep an eye open though. In a few months, especially after the SEMA show, you should see a lot comming out.

 

the headers that tog is working on will help out nicely, especially with the catless down-pipe, new exhaust would help ... just please don't put a fart can on, out of respect for us who actually like these cars. and of course an intake would help out too... but there's no real intakes yet.

anyways, you think 190~wheel tq isn't good enough for a daily driver? that's pretty much from 2.5k - 6.5k... the most level curve i've ever seen... that's alot more than just about any 4banger turbo car can do on the bottom end (before turbo spools)


i had to add this as well: a $600 exhaust with a fart can, is not a performance exhaust. it is some overpriced piping with a new age cherry bomb. if you're gonna get one you might as well get an ebay special for $19.95 cause they both sound and do the same

 

OK maybe i am dumd but how do you get away from a fart can?

 

by running as fast as you can....


You have two choices for mufflers, inline and the fast can. The inline are like the flowmaster and borla for muscle cars. The ones that have pipe running in and out of them, then you have your choice of tips. Its more expensive than a fart can, but IMO they look nicer and often times sound nicer. All too often, the fart can gets pasted onto a car just because it has a 4 cyl, which is sad since these cars are true performers.

 

Amen.

 

Whats a inline muffler?

All you need is a regular oval bodied muffler with a small case length.

- Borla
- Dynomax Ultra Flo
- Magnaflow

Would be the best.

Flowmasters suck and arent masters of anything but restriction.

 

ummm dude flowmasters have almost no restrictions. that is why they are the loudest around, and that metallic sound they give off is because there are so few baffles in their mufflers

this is of course talking about ovals, as fart cans are in a class by themselves and should not be classified as mufllers

 

yes i was talking about oval mufflers, and flowmasters do suck. one of the worst sounding ovals IMO. I just name them because they are the most well known.

 

Is 190wtq enough you ask? Umm, hell no, especially when I have to wait until over 5000rpms to even feel any tq. You say it's pretty much 190 from 2.5-6.5k, but I have yet to view a dyno that shows anything remotely close to that type of tq at that rpm range.
Here's one of the more agressive dyno sheets I've come across on this board. It's a 4th gear pull on a stock SS.


I understand a SC is more linear than a turbo, that's why I'm wondering if anything can be done to make it more agressive down low. My buddies 1.8T has crazy tq right off the rip, and even though it loses some steam up top, it's a nice feeling to be thown back into your seat.


About mufflers and such, it's all a matter of personal taste. I personally don't like Flowmaster mufflers. I think they are overrated, and only sell well because Mario Andretti is paid to say they are good. Some people may call them rice, but I think HKS mufflers are real nice. Obviously, I don't like the fart car looking ones, but they do make mufflers that look real nice. They also have a nice low tone to them as well.

 

he wasnt that far off with his tq statment. It looks to be about 2800 or so rpms where you reach 190 lbs.

 

No. TQ numbers are on the right. Their not on the same lines as the HP numbers. At 2800, it's more like 160ft/lbs. 190ft/lbs isn't even seen until 4700-5000.

 

The LSJ is never going to be a torque monster, it's bore and stroke are is a square ratio, an engine like the SRT-4's will have more torque than HP since it has a longer stroke than bore. The longer the stroke the more torquie (is that a word) the engine with be.

The neck snapping you felt with your previous car is called turbo lag.

 

LOL. I have to laugh a little bit at you guys. I have a RSX Type S and even though I love it I would love to have the torque you guys have.

 

I dont see how anyone could put an oval muffler on a 4 cylinder i thought oval mufflers were for V8s and on them to be loud...i always thought you should put a round one on a 4 cylinder and im not talking about one that you can get a pep boys for 125 bucks..im talking about a good system all together...idk just asking for help on which one is better

 

oh noes! i stand corrected. if you're not happy with your tq on bottom end you should just go ahead and put an m90 on your car with a small pulley. then you can report back, thanks for playing

 

Hey man, are you sure you're not used to driving a V8 or something?? Because as far as 4-bangers go, the SS has a nice torque curve. Look at the dyno graph you posted, the torque line stays relatively flat from 2200RPM all the way to the 6500RPM redline.

Your best bet to improve low-end torque is to add mods. A cold air intake and catback exhaust alone will give you a nice gain in both HP as well as torque. From what I've seen, the LSJ's HP and TQ numbers seem to go up proportionally, unlike some engines that trade torque for HP once you start modding.

Try driving something like an RSX or Celica, and then come back and complain about torque. Your car will feel like a torque monster after driving those gutless cars

 

Flowmasters suck!

They aren't lound because they aren't restrictive there loud because they use no roving material to deaden sound waves. They use baffles and chambers to cancel sound with sound. Borla, Dynomax (Ultra-Flo) & Magnaflow use a straight through perforated tube with roving material and stainless mesh to absorb sound.

A straight through muffler will flow up to 300% better than a stock muffler where as a Flowmaster may flow 10-20% better.

I guarantee I have tried more mufllers/cat-backs than anyone here x10. I had 4 different cat-backs on my Camaro SS before I figured out which one I wanted.

Unless it's going on my every day driver or a Mustang Flowmaster isn't even on my maybe list.

 

doesnt the 1.8T have awd? that could be why it feels the way it does.

 

my bad, you are correct on the TQ numbers, i was looking on the wrong side.

 

I have a Flowmaster 40 Series, and a Glasspack on my car. And I love, absolutely LOVE the sound of a flowmaster.

 

Problem is though opening up the exhaust isn't really going to help with low end.

 

Don't get me wrong guys, I like the amount of torque I have, I'm just looking for ways to gain more torque in the lower rpms. It'd be a nice lil advantage to have when pulling runs from a roll. Let me put it this way. When my buddy with a 1.8T races my other buddy with a RSX-S from roll, he instantly pulls away. Once he gets to the higher rpms, he doesn't pull as hard, until he shifts, then he pulls again. That advantage he has of low end torque is hard to overcome. Not that I condone street racing, but it's nice to have an advantage when the opportunity presents itself.



stlurbanpunk, the 1.8T doesn't have AWD, unless it's in an Audi. Most of the time, when you see someone write a AWD 1.8T, the AWD is referrring to the engine code of the 1.8T. There's also AWP, AWW, AUG etc etc engine codes.


stuffy236, don't worry about it man. Its an easy mistake to make. Sometimes those damn graphs can be tricky to read.

 

a smaller pulley should get you more low end. The pulley is making the SC spin faster so at lower rpms, its spinning the SC faster than a larger pulley.

 

True, a smaller pulley would bring the boost in sooner, therefore the torque curve would move down in the RPM range, provided the by-pass valve does not bleed the boost.
For awsome torque instantly, go to a small enough pulley to produce boost at idle. I don't believe the supercharger on the SS would hold up to the RPMs it would have to turn to do this. An M90 might work as it compresses more air at a lower RPM, more CFM per rev compared to the M60.

I would love to put an M90 on this engine!