My ZZP high flow cat went bad after only 1,200 miles
07-18-2007, 11:43 AM
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i didnt know they didnt make it themselves till i got it in the mail.
i have free updates for my tune. i was planning on having hem flash it with an emissions legal tune when i need it.
I'm not a noob. why do you guys keep talking to me like one?
i will be contacting zoomer. but like i said before.. this downpipe is WELDED in. that will make it more difficult to resolve the issue on both ends.
it means that i'm not a zzp hater. they are my preferred vendor. i like their service.. and if you go into their vendor threads.. i have made alot of praising posts.
and i never claimed that i would get better service than you or anyone else. learn to read.
reading>you.
I'm not a noob. why do you guys keep talking to me like one?
i will be contacting zoomer. but like i said before.. this downpipe is WELDED in. that will make it more difficult to resolve the issue on both ends.
and i never claimed that i would get better service than you or anyone else. learn to read.
reading>you.
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Just thought I would ask since I see this thread. How is the CA downpipe with high flow cat? Going to go with the 2.5" cuz 3 is to big IMO inless you well over 300whp. Also, can I use the AEM wideband with the CA downpipe with highflow cat?
07-18-2007, 11:47 AM
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Well, I'm gonna back Sneaky on this one... before you install a new cat... FIX YOUR TUNE!
I can't even begin to count the amount of cat's we've blown here at work because of wierd a/f problems (when I say wierd I mean not gasoline fuel!). The only reason I've ever seen a cat wrecked is becasue the engine isn't running right, which also isn't good for the engine either!
Good tune = clean cat, dependable engine, better efficiency, and more power!
I can't even begin to count the amount of cat's we've blown here at work because of wierd a/f problems (when I say wierd I mean not gasoline fuel!). The only reason I've ever seen a cat wrecked is becasue the engine isn't running right, which also isn't good for the engine either!
Good tune = clean cat, dependable engine, better efficiency, and more power!
07-18-2007, 11:51 AM
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Yea, that would be great. I don't want to get the CA downpipe with highflow inless it bolts right on to the GMP manifold without any problems. Also I have a AEM wideband I want to install I have no idea if the CA downpipe and highflow have a spot for the sensor...
07-18-2007, 11:55 AM
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because it is a pacesetter.. not the equivalent.. it said pacesetter on the box...
i have every right to bash ZZP. i have spent more money there than 95% of the people on here. their service is fantastic. as well as the pulley system. i also love my springs.. but the exhaust is sub-par
p.s. i choose not to list all of my mods. just the important ones.. i also have alot of minor mods i purchased from ZZP. i think i will be sticking with HAHN racecraft for all of my future modding needs.
i know that problems are to be expected when modding, but this is rediculous. i do not want to spend any more money on the stock s/c setup. as it is getting me nowhere. I think I'm just gonna park it and drive my s-10 till i get my e-mail.
i have every right to bash ZZP. i have spent more money there than 95% of the people on here. their service is fantastic. as well as the pulley system. i also love my springs.. but the exhaust is sub-par
p.s. i choose not to list all of my mods. just the important ones.. i also have alot of minor mods i purchased from ZZP. i think i will be sticking with HAHN racecraft for all of my future modding needs.
i know that problems are to be expected when modding, but this is rediculous. i do not want to spend any more money on the stock s/c setup. as it is getting me nowhere. I think I'm just gonna park it and drive my s-10 till i get my e-mail.
i didnt know they didnt make it themselves till i got it in the mail.
i have free updates for my tune. i was planning on having hem flash it with an emissions legal tune when i need it.
I'm not a noob. why do you guys keep talking to me like one?
i will be contacting zoomer. but like i said before.. this downpipe is WELDED in. that will make it more difficult to resolve the issue on both ends.
it means that i'm not a zzp hater. they are my preferred vendor. i like their service.. and if you go into their vendor threads.. i have made alot of praising posts.
and i never claimed that i would get better service than you or anyone else. learn to read.
reading>you.
i have free updates for my tune. i was planning on having hem flash it with an emissions legal tune when i need it.
I'm not a noob. why do you guys keep talking to me like one?
i will be contacting zoomer. but like i said before.. this downpipe is WELDED in. that will make it more difficult to resolve the issue on both ends.
it means that i'm not a zzp hater. they are my preferred vendor. i like their service.. and if you go into their vendor threads.. i have made alot of praising posts.
and i never claimed that i would get better service than you or anyone else. learn to read.
reading>you.
do not back pedal. nor insult me.
i know the exact tune you have on your car.
i know how matt works. he will take care of his customers above and beyond anyone i have seen to date in the performance world.
im not attacking you by anymeans, you fired it off to me first.
i don't lay down that easy.
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07-18-2007, 12:06 PM
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we chose to run it rich to protect the engine. this was the consensus a few months back. i think if this t/c setup dosent come out within a month or so, i'm just gonna get a R32 v-dub, and turbo it. at least then i can have something to show for all the time, money and effort.
the cobalt is a great car if you wanna be in the 13s. but without serious changes, you'll stay there forever. it's a shame that we're all finding this out after we bought it.
i guess i'm just fed up with this b.s. it's always something. i have had way more problems with the car than i chose to talk about cause most of them i fix myself. i come on here.. tell you guys the situation.. and ask: "where can i buy a d/p with cat that will bolt up to the ZZp header?" and so far, all you guys did was tell me what happened to the old one, and why i'm no different than anyother ZZP customer.
These things i knew already. i guess i have to wait till tonight, when the people who know what is going on, get online.
Thanks for teaching me not to ask the daytime noobs any questions.
look at quote 2 above where you bolded my words. i praised zzp for their service right before i said i would not buy from them again. and yet again you skipped right over it to the negative comment. i did not back pedal. i have been saying they are a good vendor. i just think this header/downpipe is a piece of trash.
once again reading<you
when i recieved it, the o2 bung on the header was cracked... did i cry? no. did i call and complain? no. i just welded in a new one and moved on. then on the install of the downpipe, i got no o2 extension, did i cry? no. i just spliced the wires and moved on..this is the 3rd problem i've had with this, and i'm pissed, i have every right to speak my mind. STFU and get out of my thread
the cobalt is a great car if you wanna be in the 13s. but without serious changes, you'll stay there forever. it's a shame that we're all finding this out after we bought it.
i guess i'm just fed up with this b.s. it's always something. i have had way more problems with the car than i chose to talk about cause most of them i fix myself. i come on here.. tell you guys the situation.. and ask: "where can i buy a d/p with cat that will bolt up to the ZZp header?" and so far, all you guys did was tell me what happened to the old one, and why i'm no different than anyother ZZP customer.
These things i knew already. i guess i have to wait till tonight, when the people who know what is going on, get online.
Thanks for teaching me not to ask the daytime noobs any questions.
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do not back pedal. nor insult me.
i know the exact tune you have on your car.
i know how matt works. he will take care of his customers above and beyond anyone i have seen to date in the performance world.
im not attacking you by anymeans, you fired it off to me first.
i don't lay down that easy.
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do not back pedal. nor insult me.
i know the exact tune you have on your car.
i know how matt works. he will take care of his customers above and beyond anyone i have seen to date in the performance world.
im not attacking you by anymeans, you fired it off to me first.
i don't lay down that easy.
once again reading<you
when i recieved it, the o2 bung on the header was cracked... did i cry? no. did i call and complain? no. i just welded in a new one and moved on. then on the install of the downpipe, i got no o2 extension, did i cry? no. i just spliced the wires and moved on..this is the 3rd problem i've had with this, and i'm pissed, i have every right to speak my mind. STFU and get out of my thread
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we chose to run it rich to protect the engine. this was the consensus a few months back. i think if this t/c setup dosent come out within a month or so, i'm just gonna get a R32 v-dub, and turbo it. at least then i can have something to show for all the time, money and effort.
the cobalt is a great car if you wanna be in the 13s. but without serious changes, you'll stay there forever. it's a shame that we're all finding this out after we bought it.
i guess i'm just fed up with this b.s. it's always something. i have had way more problems with the car than i chose to talk about cause most of them i fix myself. i come on here.. tell you guys the situation.. and ask: "where can i buy a d/p with cat that will bolt up to the ZZp header?" and so far, all you guys did was tell me what happened to the old one, and why i'm no different than anyother ZZP customer.
These things i knew already. i guess i have to wait till tonight, when the people who know what is going on, get online.
Thanks for teaching me not to ask the daytime noobs any questions.
the cobalt is a great car if you wanna be in the 13s. but without serious changes, you'll stay there forever. it's a shame that we're all finding this out after we bought it.
i guess i'm just fed up with this b.s. it's always something. i have had way more problems with the car than i chose to talk about cause most of them i fix myself. i come on here.. tell you guys the situation.. and ask: "where can i buy a d/p with cat that will bolt up to the ZZp header?" and so far, all you guys did was tell me what happened to the old one, and why i'm no different than anyother ZZP customer.
These things i knew already. i guess i have to wait till tonight, when the people who know what is going on, get online.
Thanks for teaching me not to ask the daytime noobs any questions.
cats go bad, they go bad faster when you dump fuel.
yes 11.0-11.4 is the ideal range. why? to keep cylinder temps down. i have found this out first hand on a couple cars i have done. what also happens when you do this, the cat gets clogged. i understand you want to keep your car legal, as do i, but it may have to some down to getting a test pipe put in, then swap it out for your emissions testing later down the road.
07-18-2007, 12:09 PM
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oh really? kind of hard to meet matt and go check out the tunes w/o even being close to nj.. unless someone is sharing matts tunes with you via HPtuners. he would probably be upset that his work was being distributed for free over the net.
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ok retard.. look at quote 2 above where you bolded my words. i praised zzp for their service right before i said i would not buy from them again. and yet again you skipped right over it to the negative comment. i did not back pedal. i have been saying they are a good vendor. i just think this header/downpipe is a piece of trash.
once again reading<you
when i recieved it, the o2 bung on the header was cracked... did i cry? no. did i call and complain? no. i just welded in a new one and moved on. then on the install of the downpipe, i got no o2 extension, did i cry? no. i just spliced the wires and moved on..this is the 3rd problem i've had with this, and i'm pissed, i have every right to speak my mind. STFU and get out of my thread
once again reading<you
when i recieved it, the o2 bung on the header was cracked... did i cry? no. did i call and complain? no. i just welded in a new one and moved on. then on the install of the downpipe, i got no o2 extension, did i cry? no. i just spliced the wires and moved on..this is the 3rd problem i've had with this, and i'm pissed, i have every right to speak my mind. STFU and get out of my thread
calm down superman, it's not the end of the world. not eveything is perfect.
this is called life.
matt locks his tunes. do you know what that means?
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07-18-2007, 12:13 PM
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keep in mind, i am one of those night time people.
cats go bad, they go bad faster when you dump fuel.
yes 11.0-11.4 is the ideal range. why? to keep cylinder temps down. i have found this out first hand on a couple cars i have done. what also happens when you do this, the cat gets clogged. i understand you want to keep your car legal, as do i, but it may have to some down to getting a test pipe put in, then swap it out for your emissions testing later down the road.
cats go bad, they go bad faster when you dump fuel.
yes 11.0-11.4 is the ideal range. why? to keep cylinder temps down. i have found this out first hand on a couple cars i have done. what also happens when you do this, the cat gets clogged. i understand you want to keep your car legal, as do i, but it may have to some down to getting a test pipe put in, then swap it out for your emissions testing later down the road.
07-18-2007, 12:14 PM
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hmm chevy did you buy the header with only 1.5 " primaries? from pictures on the zzp website the 2 headers look totally different.. mounting flanges (not hole placement but style of the bracket)... o2 bung on the zzp different style bent piping. You're the first person I've heard that has said that the zzp header is made my pacesetter, so this just seems odd.. considering how many people flame pacesetter.. you would think that would be header of before hand
the other way to fix it... *goes online.....*....*buys new cat*.... *find good performance shop*.... * removes exhaust system*...*sawzalls the cat out* .. *weld in new cat*... *reinstall exhaust*... good to go.. it's probably better than buying a new system man... and since it's only the cat thats bad... then why buy a whole new system
the other way to fix it... *goes online.....*....*buys new cat*.... *find good performance shop*.... * removes exhaust system*...*sawzalls the cat out* .. *weld in new cat*... *reinstall exhaust*... good to go.. it's probably better than buying a new system man... and since it's only the cat thats bad... then why buy a whole new system
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thats not really an option, because, in a few months time, i will no longer be using this header/downpipe anymore. i'm just in need of a functional one until i go turbo. then i will have a whole new set of emissions problems to solve. however, i wont have to run so pig rich cause my heat pump will be gone.
if you need something to get by, just hack the cat off.
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I have to disagree that the balt is stuck in the 13s. You will all see soon enough...
IMO a balt with Stage II, polished supercharger (no porting), GMP manifold, GMP exhaust, downpipe with highflow cat, CAI, Ingall's ETD, dual pass, CA heat exchanger, and drag radials can be in the mid high 12s all day long. Traction is key.
IMO a balt with Stage II, polished supercharger (no porting), GMP manifold, GMP exhaust, downpipe with highflow cat, CAI, Ingall's ETD, dual pass, CA heat exchanger, and drag radials can be in the mid high 12s all day long. Traction is key.
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I have to disagree that the balt is stuck in the 13s. You will all see soon enough...
IMO a balt with Stage II, polished supercharger (no porting), GMP manifold, GMP exhaust, downpipe with highflow cat, CAI, Ingall's ETD, dual pass, CA heat exchanger, and drag radials can be in the mid high 12s all day long. Traction is key.
IMO a balt with Stage II, polished supercharger (no porting), GMP manifold, GMP exhaust, downpipe with highflow cat, CAI, Ingall's ETD, dual pass, CA heat exchanger, and drag radials can be in the mid high 12s all day long. Traction is key.
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my stock cat went kaboom, tech told me it had melted, and came out in peaces on the shop floor..... i'm starting to believe this one is goin kaboom also. i have the stage 2 tune btw, and i plan on keeping that tune for warrantie reasons. after the warrantie is gone, i'm gonna pound the guts outta my cat 
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my stock cat went kaboom, tech told me it had melted, and came out in peaces on the shop floor..... i'm starting to believe this one is goin kaboom also. i have the stage 2 tune btw, and i plan on keeping that tune for warrantie reasons. after the warrantie is gone, i'm gonna pound the guts outta my cat
anyways
the stock cat has a 80k mile warranty for emissions purposes.
now, chevy's problem is, the magnaflow cat on his car went to ****. i believe mine is going the same direction. no biggie to be really. there should be a warranty on it regardless of who put it on.
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hmm chevy did you buy the header with only 1.5 " primaries? from pictures on the zzp website the 2 headers look totally different.. mounting flanges (not hole placement but style of the bracket)... o2 bung on the zzp different style bent piping. You're the first person I've heard that has said that the zzp header is made my pacesetter, so this just seems odd.. considering how many people flame pacesetter.. you would think that would be header of before hand
note* box seen in pic contained ssc springs, not the header.
the other way to fix it... *goes online.....*....*buys new cat*.... *find good performance shop*.... * removes exhaust system*...*sawzalls the cat out* .. *weld in new cat*... *reinstall exhaust*... good to go.. it's probably better than buying a new system man... and since it's only the cat thats bad... then why buy a whole new system
i do all my own work (aside from tuning) and i agree it would be easier. but why buy something that will probably go bad again.. and keep my car off the road for a week ( or more cause i'm busy) while i'm doing the install? especially since i have all my funds in order to buy the turbo swap. these parts will do me no good soon. its not the $200. i have that to spare.. its the fact that i just did this install like a month and a half ago with NO lift, and the car is lowered. this is a huge pain in the ass for me. i dont want to be under the car (on jackstands) cutting and welding again.. especially cause i just spent a weekend doing it not that long ago.
I guess i just made the thread to vent a little
that just sounds, really. bad.
anyways
the stock cat has a 80k mile warranty for emissions purposes.
now, chevy's problem is, the magnaflow cat on his car went to ****. i believe mine is going the same direction. no biggie to be really. there should be a warranty on it regardless of who put it on.
anyways
the stock cat has a 80k mile warranty for emissions purposes.
now, chevy's problem is, the magnaflow cat on his car went to ****. i believe mine is going the same direction. no biggie to be really. there should be a warranty on it regardless of who put it on.
I have to disagree that the balt is stuck in the 13s. You will all see soon enough...
IMO a balt with Stage II, polished supercharger (no porting), GMP manifold, GMP exhaust, downpipe with highflow cat, CAI, Ingall's ETD, dual pass, CA heat exchanger, and drag radials can be in the mid high 12s all day long. Traction is key.
IMO a balt with Stage II, polished supercharger (no porting), GMP manifold, GMP exhaust, downpipe with highflow cat, CAI, Ingall's ETD, dual pass, CA heat exchanger, and drag radials can be in the mid high 12s all day long. Traction is key.
either way. thats not the purpose of this thread, and i regret making that statement.
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do you guys think leaning out the tune on a new cat would be ok.?
sure... fine for the cat.. but isn't the dumping of the fuel part of trying to keep theheat down and the engine safe?
sure... fine for the cat.. but isn't the dumping of the fuel part of trying to keep theheat down and the engine safe?