new blower.....
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From: ky/wv
new blower.....
i am gettin ready to buy the m90 blower, but what i am wondering about is if it will be alright to run it with my stage 2 kit, and if the pulley and hub are the same as the m62 blower on the ss.....any info will be greatly appreciated............thanks
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As far as I know... noone has come up with an adapter plate that will mount a M90 onto an Ecotec engine... especially the LSJ.
Also... the M90 majorly outperforms the M62 in terms of CFM flowed. You'd have to run a bigger pulley on it to avoid blowing the engine.
Also... the M90 majorly outperforms the M62 in terms of CFM flowed. You'd have to run a bigger pulley on it to avoid blowing the engine.
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From: The real OC biatch...
ok...we already discussed this and found it wont work...as the psi goes up its actually harder for the m90 to turn.
incase nobody believes me here is my original post...
incase nobody believes me here is my original post...
Originally Posted by socalsilverRL
ill post up my new equation thatll show what im saying:
OK...so the HP loss is more charge temp is same...
M62 w/ a 2.5" pulley spins at 14K RPM, @ 10psi = 440CFM, 180* F charge, uses 36HP
M90 w a 3.2" pully spins at 10600RPM, @ 10psi = ~440CFM, 180* F charge, uses 38-40HP...
M62 flow:
M90 flow:
Power consumption comparisson:
M62:
M90:
Temperature change:
M62:
M90:
OK...so the HP loss is more charge temp is same...
M62 w/ a 2.5" pulley spins at 14K RPM, @ 10psi = 440CFM, 180* F charge, uses 36HP
M90 w a 3.2" pully spins at 10600RPM, @ 10psi = ~440CFM, 180* F charge, uses 38-40HP...
M62 flow:
M90 flow:
Power consumption comparisson:
M62:
M90:
Temperature change:
M62:
M90:
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From: The real OC biatch...
oh yea, here is the original thread:
http://www.redlineforums .com/forums/performance-modifications/17053-m62-vs-m90.html
(remove the space)
http://www.redlineforums .com/forums/performance-modifications/17053-m62-vs-m90.html
(remove the space)
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Originally Posted by cvenom2122
the m90 doesnt run that much more efficient! your making it sound liek a whipple bro!
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Originally Posted by OniMirage
see what happens when you dont use the search button lol by the way I love that venom pic
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WTF? I don't know where you pulled those "equations" from, but its just stupid to say that swapping to a M90 will make you LOSE power.
Just do your research. Show me ONE example where someone swapped to a larger blower and lost power (not couting adding some rediculous large blower from a tank or something). But thats just crazy.
Go check the Grand Prix boards. Some of the fastest cars upgraded from the M90 to M112, or have the Kenne Bell blower.
The amount of BS floating around on this board is staggering....
Just do your research. Show me ONE example where someone swapped to a larger blower and lost power (not couting adding some rediculous large blower from a tank or something). But thats just crazy.
Go check the Grand Prix boards. Some of the fastest cars upgraded from the M90 to M112, or have the Kenne Bell blower.
The amount of BS floating around on this board is staggering....
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From: Dayton, OH
Originally Posted by Drewfu$
WTF? I don't know where you pulled those "equations" from, but its just stupid to say that swapping to a M90 will make you LOSE power.
Just do your research. Show me ONE example where someone swapped to a larger blower and lost power (not couting adding some rediculous large blower from a tank or something). But thats just crazy.
Go check the Grand Prix boards. Some of the fastest cars upgraded from the M90 to M112, or have the Kenne Bell blower.
The amount of BS floating around on this board is staggering....
Just do your research. Show me ONE example where someone swapped to a larger blower and lost power (not couting adding some rediculous large blower from a tank or something). But thats just crazy.
Go check the Grand Prix boards. Some of the fastest cars upgraded from the M90 to M112, or have the Kenne Bell blower.
The amount of BS floating around on this board is staggering....
M62-Inlet Flow and Vol. Efficiency
M90-Inlet Flow and Vol. Efficiency
M62-Delta Temps and Power
M90-Delta Temps and Power
SoCal, where you get your graphs? Seem different than these ones.
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Originally Posted by Drewfu$
WTF? I don't know where you pulled those "equations" from, but its just stupid to say that swapping to a M90 will make you LOSE power.
Just do your research. Show me ONE example where someone swapped to a larger blower and lost power (not couting adding some rediculous large blower from a tank or something). But thats just crazy.
Go check the Grand Prix boards. Some of the fastest cars upgraded from the M90 to M112, or have the Kenne Bell blower.
The amount of BS floating around on this board is staggering....
Just do your research. Show me ONE example where someone swapped to a larger blower and lost power (not couting adding some rediculous large blower from a tank or something). But thats just crazy.
Go check the Grand Prix boards. Some of the fastest cars upgraded from the M90 to M112, or have the Kenne Bell blower.
The amount of BS floating around on this board is staggering....
Ur a gtp guy u should know this...they only swap to a gen v or mp112 on HIGHLY MODIFIED engines. On the sites it states how the gain will not be there/hurt performance if u swap to it
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Originally Posted by djt81185
Ur a gtp guy u should know this...they only swap to a gen v or mp112 on HIGHLY MODIFIED engines. On the sites it states how the gain will not be there/hurt performance if u swap to it
Dan, what about a M112 swap on the LSJ??? Seriously...it takes a lot of power to turn, but around 900cfm maxing out around...for the price though, I think I'd just go for a 1.5L KB for the ford escape...
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Alright here is the deal. Enough talk, someone make an adaptor plate, get HPT and 60lb injectors, and put an M90 on their car. These threads are getting old, and some people need to see the "proof in the pudding" so to speak. I however will not do it, because I think it's a waste of my time. I have emails out to several companies and distruibutors for a twinscrew type supercharger instead of the roots. When I get ahold of what I want, I will then make my own adaptor plate and post the end results after a tuning it all together. Then we can compare to see what works better.
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Originally Posted by djt81185
Ur a gtp guy u should know this...they only swap to a gen v or mp112 on HIGHLY MODIFIED engines. On the sites it states how the gain will not be there/hurt performance if u swap to it
also keep in mind one of the reasons for that is that those engines are so limited by the amount they can flow ...our 16v`s can flow a hell of alot of air
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From: Lake Mary, FL
Originally Posted by vandy0419
Someone send me a supercharger and I'll make the plate, but there is no way in hell I'm going to spend $200 on a M90...
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From: Dayton, OH
Originally Posted by Ahriman
i was thinking about swaping the m62 our for a phat toaster, preferably one with 4 slots, so i can make pop-tarts and egos on my way to work. would you be able to fab me up an adaptor plate for somthing like that... if i sent you the toasters demensions and whatnot?
...you want an electric blower going into that also?Honestly guys, it has been looked over and discussed dozens of times. Read around, there is TONS of viable information in the other threads to sway you away from it...many of us just get bored of rewriting all the details. M90<M62