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mrbelvedere 03-13-2013 11:46 PM


Originally Posted by Powell Race Parts (Post 6963970)
Belvedere says: dyno is bragging rights. 1320 is the true story.
So, I say its all over at the 60ft.
so all you heros go to the 1320 and post up the results: tvs stock cam, compared to tvs s2 cams, two cars, two drivers same day ;switch drivers in the cars three runs each.

then you got something to talk about .
'

aintgonnahappen.com.
PS I have dyno sheets on all the cam combos I have mentioned we have built

chassis dynos are for bragging rights but best used for tuning to many different types to compare accurately know one has said the stock cams are junk they have their place but you get all hell bent and say they are worthless well the stg2 or 3 cams from zzp may be for the racing you like to do and there are other options also to have cams for the racing that you do also but you will neve see that until you take the blinder off

InfraRedline 03-14-2013 12:08 AM

Did a few pulls today only up to about 7k but I will say that up top the difference is quite noticeable, and I really wish I could have ran it out higher, but soon enough. Started a couple pulls from about 3500rpms and yes there was a slight feeling of torque loss down there, but you can feel the power come on a bit after 4k. The car has a different feel than with the stock cams. Power comes on a little slower and smoother (slight tq loss maybe?) but it has a constant continous pulling feeling as in it pulls more and more the higher you rev. Timing is still backed down a bit but not so much that it would affect my first impressions of the cams. Thats all I got for now lol needs to stay nice out so I can drive my car more.

mrbelvedere 03-14-2013 12:49 AM

not in mine it was rather snappy were tuning do 50 rolls from 3rd and trying to breaking the tires loose

Vander Nars 03-14-2013 03:56 AM

Still waiting to see some dyno sheets to show the gains/losses from stock to stg 2 cams.

Powell Race Parts 03-14-2013 07:39 AM


Originally Posted by mrbelvedere (Post 6964263)
chassis dynos are for bragging rights but best used for tuning to many different types to compare accurately know one has said the stock cams are junk they have their place but you get all hell bent and say they are worthless well the stg2 or 3 cams from zzp may be for the racing you like to do and there are other options also to have cams for the racing that you do also but you will neve see that until you take the blinder off

lets keep on topic. #1 I didnt say they were useless, in fact, I said the only place I figure they are worth using is for 1320.
I said ZZP provide a very good product.
I said my customer LOVES them
I said its all over by the 60 ft.
I said for the money, price versus performance, for dd they are totally not worth it.
I said that stock cams vs. stage 2 on the 1320 my money is on stock cams, because its all over by the 60 ft.
I said go prove who is right on the track.
I said for my money I would not use them.

Now Area47 appears to agree.
Now Infraredline appears says he notices "some" torque loss
Now someone wants dyno sheets? I got them but I sure as hell am not going to go to the trouble of looking it up right now.

And in 5 minutes I guess , I think I figured out what you are saying in your post , Mr.B.

armcclure 03-14-2013 08:40 AM

I like mrB's posts cuz I get to put my detective hat on

mrbelvedere 03-14-2013 09:32 AM


Originally Posted by Vander Nars (Post 6964367)
Still waiting to see some dyno sheets to show the gains/losses from stock to stg 2 cams.

well get off your ass and do something then instead of waiting for other to do do it for you


Originally Posted by Powell Race Parts (Post 6964393)
lets keep on topic. #1 I didnt say they were useless, in fact, I said the only place I figure they are worth using is for 1320.
I said ZZP provide a very good product.
I said my customer LOVES them
I said its all over by the 60 ft.
I said for the money, price versus performance, for dd they are totally not worth it.
I said that stock cams vs. stage 2 on the 1320 my money is on stock cams, because its all over by the 60 ft.
I said go prove who is right on the track.
I said for my money I would not use them.

Now Area47 appears to agree.
Now Infraredline appears says he notices "some" torque loss
Now someone wants dyno sheets? I got them but I sure as hell am not going to go to the trouble of looking it up right now.

And in 5 minutes I guess , I think I figured out what you are saying in your post , Mr.B.

area dident run the gmr cams setup properly either and with those set up properly you may see a loss in the bottom
if you feel a loss in the bottom then the tune is off mine didn't loose in the bottom
the race isn't over by the 60ft and im glad you like my post get your detective hat on

Staged07SS 03-14-2013 09:59 AM


Originally Posted by armcclure (Post 6964417)
I like mrB's posts cuz I get to put my detective hat on

Between him and area, my brain is always spinning with the riddles and hidden info.

After re-reading their posts numerous times, I always pick up on what they are getting at.

Good stuff.

ebristol 03-14-2013 10:48 AM


Originally Posted by Powell Race Parts (Post 6963970)
so all you heros go to the 1320 and post up the results: tvs stock cam, compared to tvs s2 cams, two cars, two drivers same day ;switch drivers in the cars three runs each.

then you got something to talk about .
'

aintgonnahappen.com.

Yeah!

:twothumbs


Originally Posted by armcclure (Post 6964021)
Ppl act like 1000's are insanely bigger than 80's...

Is there an echo in here?


Originally Posted by armcclure (Post 6964021)
Crank the damn pressure up. They can take it. Figure out what your pump can handle.

Good advice.

Area47 03-14-2013 11:32 AM

jap. you're not out of injector. not even close.

scale the map if it's not already, retune. there is a few tricks with the maf and pe table crap that can gain a larger window of "indicated" idc

JapEatr 03-14-2013 12:15 PM

May need a little help with that.

Ill try increasing rail pressure and retune to see how it improves

JapEatr 03-14-2013 06:22 PM

well upped the FP to 58 at base (~52at idle with vac connected) revised the tune for the FP change

made it to 8k on a stretch of road in my neighborhood, i gotta tell you, the car is a handful at upper rpm at WOT

the FP change made no net effect on IDCs that are still 110%+

i gotta do something here!

anyways 8K eye candy
https://www.cobaltss.net/gallery/fil..._out_1000s.png

Area47 03-14-2013 07:00 PM

whats the afr doing?


shoot me an email. i'll work on a fix for it.

Powell Race Parts 03-14-2013 07:04 PM

area knows best.

07MetallicSC 03-14-2013 07:23 PM


Originally Posted by Staged07SS (Post 6964470)
Between him and area, my brain is always spinning with the riddles and hidden info.

After re-reading their posts numerous times, I always pick up on what they are getting at.

Good stuff.

I'm trying to learn since my purchase. I need tvs for dummies book...

JapEatr 03-14-2013 07:47 PM

Bryan - email sent

Staged07SS 03-15-2013 07:20 AM


Originally Posted by 07MetallicSC (Post 6965043)
I'm trying to learn since my purchase. I need tvs for dummies book...

:lol:

armcclure 03-15-2013 08:57 AM


Originally Posted by JapEatr (Post 6964963)
well upped the FP to 58 at base (~52at idle with vac connected) revised the tune for the FP change

made it to 8k on a stretch of road in my neighborhood, i gotta tell you, the car is a handful at upper rpm at WOT

the FP change made no net effect on IDCs that are still 110%+

i gotta do something here!

anyways 8K eye candy
https://www.cobaltss.net/gallery/fil..._out_1000s.png

Do you have a pump rewire? Can you record FP or just visually monitor during a pull?

JapEatr 03-15-2013 09:19 AM

Yea i have fp rewire, no data logging on FP
Currently

574 03-15-2013 09:41 AM

Even with no boost after it being on jackstands for 3 months if felt so damn good to get it running and cruise around a bit last night :D

JapEatr 03-15-2013 10:07 AM

574 do you have HPT?

advise 03-15-2013 10:15 AM


Originally Posted by JapEatr (Post 6965602)
574 do you have HPT?

He has access to hpt
Nick I'm jealous
Maybe if I'm not shot after work I'll bolt her down

Does the arp lube go on both sides of the stud?
Also cam break in , syn oil or conventional

574 03-15-2013 10:57 AM

I just put lube on the block threads. I may be able to do a log this weekend. Not sure how that all works with un locking my vin. I heard I can do tweaks without using credits? I don't know

Bluelightning 03-15-2013 11:24 AM

You can log without unlocking but can't tweak your tune.

574 03-15-2013 12:00 PM

It sucks because I don't know what issues are being caused by my tune, such as winter blend and fuel trims being off because of new intake and what issues I could fix myself.

I know tuners hate tuning around "broken" cars but IDK what would be classified as "broke" if anyone gets what I'm saying


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